MNHQ, a word in your shell-like please - about these pro-BNP threads... consider this a petition

[TheLadyOfTheGreenKirtle]

hasn't this gone far enough? these threads are being allowed to stand which considering the "policies" of the BNP and the views expressed by "activists" is appalling. yes, free speech is wonderful, but some of these threads can be seen as inciting racial hatred, there are many, many, disablist, homophobic, racist remarks made and implied and they always go the same way. the threads are started to cause a bunfight. the BNP will not get anymore supporters on here, so why be deliberately controversial?

mn is a self-moderated site. this is great and one of the reasons i use it. however, the mners are now moderating and saying that we have had enough. we have complained a LOT about this type of thing - please take note!

another dp witch hunt i see.

sad

carry on

no, not a witch hunt. she's a troll.

This is the third thread that i have seen which specifically points her out. and makes personal comments towards her.

I don't understand the logic of the mumsnet ettiquette applying to everyone except trolls

IF you believe she is a troll.

well it's really up to MNHQ to do something about it, if there's a problem according to their rules. as it happens, i've not seen any threads before about dp specifically, so whether or not they've been deleted or they've just been unpopular and dropped off active convos i don't know. and this was initially a thread about the BNP rather than DP, although i appreciate that this is no longer the case.

and yes, i do think she's a troll, absolutely, and i don't think that people who gleefully upset, insult and rile up mners do get treated the same way as those who don't. i distinctly remember the woman who tried to escape from japan being talked about on here, same with CVQ, same with the woman who posted about her preemie baby etc. it's no different. all of them posted normally(ish) for a while before their trollishness became impossible to ignore.

Custy's right. It is a witch hunt and some posters are getting obsessive.

Not healthy imho.

custy, imo this thread wasn't about DP,
but about trolls and troublemakers that post just to spread trouble and upset.
mainly with the BNP threads.
MN HQ seem very unwilling to do anything, however much you report it.

I find it a bit distasteful that Aitch et al are gunning all out for a ban on dp, and only a ban will do

there is a tinge of fanatical zeal about it which makes me uncomfortable

I have posted on this thread that I agree that the racist/homophobic/provocative posts need to stop

but is banning someone the only way?

I'm a newbie and i've been following this thread and her bnp thread, i even read her sn thread, i can't see anything wrong with what she says tbh, a bit straight to the point maybe but nothing i haven't seen on other sites.
I rather like her actually and would probably shake if she spoke to me

lol, if you mean me, lemonmuffin, then please do not fear for my health, it is excellent. and she's not a witch, she's a troll.

if her trolling doesn't bother you two, great, i'm delighted, please go and enjoy the wonders of the MN boards. but clearly it bothers hundreds of the rest of us... and unless we elect someone as our representative on MN then it's obviously going to come across like hundreds of people talking about her at once. i can't really see a way of getting round that, unless, like i say, those of us who are tired of dp's trolling anoint a spokesperson.

i don't think i've said anything about banning her, actually, greensleeves, because i'm not sure that it's the best thing to do either, but for months now MNHQ have been responding to complaints with 'thank you for bringing that to our attention, we will drop her a line', and so she is very aware that her behaviour is edging her closer to a ban. in fact on her first BNP thread she said that she knows she's 'on the edge' wrt a ban, yet she nevertheless followed it up with a second thread. so what is to be done? you seemed to ask her for an apology and a promise not to do this stuff again, do you honestly think that you're the first person to think of that? she apologises every time... then starts again a fortnight later. if you can think of a good solution that doesn't involve banning her, i'd be delighted to hear it.

and freebird. the disabled kids thread was her second attempt at tackling that subject, the first thread was pulled. what you saw was her being nice and conciliatory and pulling the now-traditional 'oh i'm so sorry i didn't mean to cause any offence, i won't do it again, please educate me' portion of her act.

No, you've scrupulously not called for a ban explicitly, but you are leading the field with "she's a troll, she's a troll" and "MNHQ should enforce its trolling policy"

over and over

and you dismised as pointless and naive any attempts by me/others to suggest a milder solution (ie an apology and undertaking to stop doing it)

so it's not difficult to deduce that you are angling for a ban

and much as I too deplore the racism/homophobia, you are painting yourself in an unattractive light on this, IMO

Do you have a SN child freebirdx? I do and I found her SN thread very upsetting.

I don't think you get the way she does things. There is a pattern firstly come on oh so innocently and ask a question that she knows will hurt a group of people. Her "questions" are usually regarding Race, Sexuality and Disabled children. Then puts in silly little answers without every really explaining herself but all designed to keep the thread going and everyone upset. So everyone gets upset and then she spins it all around until she is the victim and we are all getting at her. Someone else explained it far better than me in an earlier post actually.

I am no witch hunter and I don't particularly want her banned but I think vicious, manipulative behaviour need to challenged and I am glad it is being done on here.

"I would probably shake if she spoke to me".

You sound like a JLS fan .

I am not defending dp's views or her posts, btw.

I just don't think she is the only one who is behaving very badly here.

I think I made a reasonable suggestion actually, which was to ask her not to post. Perhaps after a while she will realise that she either has to change her tune, apologize and start afresh, or that she is fundamentally out of step and should take her remarks to a more like-minded forum.

what a shame this thread has turned into another all about DP thread.
IMO mn HQ should just instigate the troll/troublemakers rule they already have to deal with trolls/troublemakers.

oh well, thanks for that, greeny. never miss an opportunity to get a dig in...

and did you say that you had a plan, then? your apology one really has been tried repeatedly, she absolutely never fails to say sorry at the end of a thread and promise not to do it (whatever it is) again. for example, she has promised never to 'start a thread about the BNP again', and i'm sure she won't. she will hijack them, though, no undertaking not to do that.

and yes, i think this should be dealt with under the mnhq anti-trolling policy, because i think she is trolling. i can't see how that's unfair. better than banning all discussion of the BNP, surely, which is what this thread first suggested.

MNHQ could monitor her posting, they could choose to act as moderators for her alone as self-moderation evidently isn't working, they could ban her from posting for a while, so that she could still get the support she enjoys from reading, then let her back and see how she goes. they could even make her change her name, as well as moderating her, which might take the heat out of a lot of exchanges, who knows? lots of different options as i see it, only one of which is an outright ban.

the problem is (as has been said) hundreds of mners have complained to mnhq about specific threads/posts. we get the same response. dp is (i presume) asked to tone it down. she does for a day or two then we are right back where we began. she has said herself that she is sailing very close to the wind, yet shows no desire or ability to rein herself in.

this thread didnt start as a "ban dp" thread. it was asking mnhq to FINALLY put something in place about these threads which show up with alarming regularity and cause such great upset and offense that posters are too scared to ask for advice on their SN child or feel they have to leave. it has however changed tack slightly. because dp is the person who tends to start these threads.

many, many mners have asked off board for action from mnhq in this matter. it hasnt happened which is why it has been bought onto the board.

She won't do that larrysgal. She likes pissing people off and she won't get that feedback on a more like minded forum.

Imvho I don't think she is evil or anything like that, she is mostly just a big old attention seeker who is probably having a right good giggle about the reactions she provokes but the people she targets are not there for DP's amusement and it is time she realised that.

never miss an opportunity to get a dig in? Do you and I have a problem? I'm referring to your posts on this thread, not you generally.

And yes, I got the message that you thought my solution was crap. That's not the same as me not having offered one, though.

I think MNHQ should have an input on this now. Or we will carry on going round in circles.

MNHQ must be aware of the thread as i see there's already been a deletion.

Maybe they've been reading 'How to talk so kids will listen', and are waiting for us to find our own solution?

agreed. and i don't think your solution is crap, i just think that clearly unbeknownst to you it's already been done and it's failed miserably.

How about if DP got a namechange and a fresh start (though the ... might give her away); one more (justified) complaint and she's out? She could then post on music or whatever, and she will have to use her own judgement if she wants to post in politics and risk a ban.

tbh i think dp could do that by herself anyway, mnhq say on their anti-troll policy that there's not much they can do to prevent that. it's what UCM, who was banned for just one thread where she revealed herself to be anti-muslim, has done apparently, and behaved herself ever since afaia.