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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
Georgimama · 03/02/2010 06:38

Compromise

Gentleness

Low Realistic expectations

chickensaresafehere · 03/02/2010 07:46

Respect & an eagerness for sex!

Swedey · 03/02/2010 08:05

Yeuch at "then he can blame the Sat Nav and nit the Old Bat Nav" in the OP.

Please don't put me in the hat.

Always be on the same team.

cakeywakey · 03/02/2010 09:20

Like PollyTechnique said, 'Never go to bed on an argument'. It's my Mum and Dad's main rule and they've been married for over 40 years so it works for them.

I'm a bit loath to give advice as all relationships are different, but I'd say to make sure that you try to stay and treat each other as friends, that you support each other to have your own interests and that you give each other space to be yourselves, as well as 'Mummy' or 'Daddy', once DCs come along.

Bonsoir · 03/02/2010 09:39

"Accepting that love is an action, not a feeling"

I don't really agree with this. I think love is a feeling that needs to be materialised into actions, that are made possible by the love.

I cannot possibly imagine being motivated to do all the things I do for my DP if I were not in love with him!

tatt · 03/02/2010 10:23

What's a "successful marriage"? I've been married a long time but not sure that makes it successful.

My tips

  1. Marry someone you like not simply someone you lust after. Eventually sex becomes less important, you need more than that to stay together.
  1. Don't give up too easily. When the going gets rough be prepared to remember what you liked about your partner at the beginning.
  1. Mutual dependence - those who need each other (whether to kill spiders or for something more important) are more likely to stay together.
  1. Don't expect perfection - you aren't perfect either.

And this was written on a card when we married, I've always remembered it:

To keep your marriage happy, with love in the loving cup, whenever you're wrong admit it, whenever you're right shut up.

Bonsoir · 03/02/2010 10:29

Something else - I think that a lot of people enter marriage/coupledom these days having spent all their lives in a structured environment (school/university/work) that leaves little room to develop skills of self-direction. Most couples start off as dual job/career couples. When children come along, suddenly they have a whole new job to do that, unlike all the other big jobs they have done so far, doesn't come with instructions/a structure/hierarchy etc - they have to make it up on their own. This puts huge pressure on them.

One solution is for both to carry on working and to put the children straight into a structured environment (nursery)...

mellymooks · 03/02/2010 10:35

Laughter.
Choosing your battles.
Appreciation.
Mutual respect.
Blow jobs.
Never forgetting how lucky you are to have found each other.
Talk, talk talk.
Giving each other lie ins.
Rolling down hills.
Remembering the good things when times are shit.
Saying I love you cause you mean it, not from habit.

mustrunmore · 03/02/2010 11:06

Never say things you dont mean.

Dont expect your husband/wife to be a superbeing and provide 100% of the emotional support you need. Be your own person and love them as their own person.

Dont get bogged down in daily chores and life. Even the essentials can be fun.

Have tons of sex.

Forgive mistakes.

Never asssumne your spouse knows what you're thinking unless you actually spell it out.

UnquietDad · 03/02/2010 11:22

Saying "yes, dear", and doing what you would have done anyway.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 03/02/2010 11:32

Spend some time together. Do something fun, like playing a card game or board game.

Ring if you are going to be home late.

Communication is key - talk to eachother and listen to eachother.

As well as buying the biggest bed you can afford, buy the biggest duvet you can afford too.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 03/02/2010 11:34

Cakeywakey - there's a corollary to your 'don't go to sleep on an argument' advice - which is 'stay up and fight!' [tongue in cheek emoticon]

Swedey · 03/02/2010 12:10

UQD, that sounds pleasant. I hope you win the book.

TheApprentice · 03/02/2010 12:33

Don't keep comparing yourselves to other couples. Some of the tips here I'm sure are very important and work well for some couples, but all relationships are different and need different things. (for example, Dh and I rarely go to bed together - we like a little bit of time to chill out in separate ways, and this is not a problem for us - as long as we still have sex!).

Also I agree with lowering expectations - your partner cannot provide you with everything you need emotionally - foster lots of other relationships with friends too.

SpeedyGonzalez · 03/02/2010 12:49

When things are going downhill, make this your no. 1 priority: Have fun together. Don't start unpacking the problems in your relationship as a first step; this will only lead to more stress and disharmony. What's most important is reconnecting and reminding each other why you work so well as a couple.

cakeywakey · 03/02/2010 12:53

at StayingDavidTennantsGirl - you're not wrong!

HairyMaclary · 03/02/2010 13:00

Mine would be to talk - after 8.5 years I am learning but really talking is the only way to go. Say directly what you want / need or how you feel. It took me a long time to realise that DH didn't understand my veiled hints at things! Also that what I said in an effort to keep him happy only made him cross because he really does want to know what I want / need and how I feel, not how I think he thinks I feel. Confused yet....!

CMOTdibbler · 03/02/2010 13:00

Respect - be polite to each other, and try only to treat each other as you'd like to be treated

Communicate - don't seethe because he should know that the floor needs cleaning, just ask

Share the work - but play to your strengths

Don't just follow what has happened in your family - because you had new pyjamas and a special biscuit every christmas eve, doesn't mean that that is the inalienable truth for everyone. Same goes with division of work, income generation etc

There's more than one way to skin a cat - unless it causes danger or actual distress, it doesn't matter if DH likes to get a takeaway pizza for tea with the kids and leave the washing up till they go to bed. Just because you like to do things differently is no reason to get ratty with each other

EasyEggs · 03/02/2010 13:14

Do not go for someone purely based on what they look like - if you're in it for the long haul it's what's on the inside that will matter.

When you have an arguement/disagreement just say what you need to to get your point across then let your partner do the same, smile, agree (or agree to disagree!) then walk away. DO NOT bring it up at a later date to try and score points no matter who was right/wrong!

Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex and more sex. Don't let things get boring or it won't be fun for either of you anymore. Variety is the spice of life remember

Have at least one selfish you day/night a month. Everyone needs time to just be themselves.

Have at least one UNselfish day/night a month where you offer your partner a massage/meal or something else without expecting/wanting anything in return.

And if all else fails move into seperate houses, live seperate lives, kids can timeshare between you and only see each other when you want something, it will keep things exciting and you'll get along fine

LadyBlaBlah · 03/02/2010 16:35

semi-pissedness on a regular basis

having lots of friends to moan to about partner

knowing they will never change

taking the piss out of all aspects of each others' lives

TheMysticMasseuse · 03/02/2010 16:43

Resist the urge to treat your husband like another of your children. He already has a mother, he doesn't need another one!

(the book sounds awful!)

WhineMaiden · 03/02/2010 17:07

My Mum always said "never go to sleep on an argument" I should listen to her sometimes

BadGardener · 03/02/2010 17:21

Here's one:

If you need a book to tell you how to have a good relationship, fgs don't get married!

ChocolateMoose · 03/02/2010 17:50

Why does a lone sock cause trouble? Does it wander round the place starting fights? And why is a man washing his socks a 'radical solution'?

BadGardener · 03/02/2010 18:24

Yes, lone socks get very bitter and go around trying to get revenge on you by destroying your relationship. They whisper things into your dh's ears like 'She's seeing another man.'

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