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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
Slartybartfast · 01/02/2010 22:38

she [[i.e me in this case] is generally right and he would do well to remember that.
for starters.

KerryMumbles · 01/02/2010 22:39

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choosyfloosy · 01/02/2010 22:47

Erm, I have to say that much as I respect JFW, her top ten don't seem to have much relevance to my marriage...having said that, I've only been married six years and am already on husband 2

I remember a rather lovely book I read standing up in Hay on Wye about long-married couples. I don't remember all the key things, but two were:

Never leave the room without letting your partner know where you are going [not in a surveillance stylee, but just showing respect to your partner].

If you wish your partner was more affectionate, gave more hugs and kisses etc, consider seducing them more often. Have confidence that you are desirable.

My own top tip would be.... marry the right person. Oh well.

GetOrfMoiLand · 01/02/2010 23:53

Be nice and kind. Be polite. Say please and thank you and show as much respect to your DP as you would a friend.

Give compliments. If you think your DP looks lovely tell him.

It's a team. Balance the work evenly. It is not fair for one person to do the majority so share it fairly. My DP does gardening, bins, windows, kictehn cleaning, hoovering. I do cooking, cars, mopping, laundry, general tidying.

Random acts of kindness. Cups of tea, toast in bed, running a bath.

Laugh together.

Tortington · 01/02/2010 23:55

dont put me in the hat

trust. before love - oh how most of us can fall in love. But trust?... Now trust has to be earned. trust has a track record. and if trust is broken, even if there is love, trust must be worked on.

trust is more important than love, for without it - i don't believe there can be true love.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 01/02/2010 23:59

The only one of those ten that really resonates for me is the laughter - a shared joke creates such a wonderful bond, and it's definitely the best way to end an arguement.

I have two more, one serious and one flippant!

Serious - Always be polite. Too easy to forget the please, thank you, and things like making a cup of tea for each other. Before you know it you are barely grunting at each other.

Flippant - buy the biggest bed you have space for/can afford. It means you can get further away from the snoring!

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 02/02/2010 00:08

Getorf we x-posted, I am not just copying your comments, honest!

Granny23 · 02/02/2010 00:24

44 years now and still going strong. Agree with most of the above especially keeping the laughter and fun going. I want to add loyalty, by which I mean sticking up for each other and not 'bad mouthing' your partner to other people. If there is a problem to be sorted do it face to face between the two of you. Do not belittle your partner to family and friends.

I recommend a regular Sunday morning cuppa in bed, snuggled up together, as best time to keep in touch and decide priorities or resolve issues.

BertieBotts · 02/02/2010 00:31

Take your time. Trust and respect are both massively important - be willing to work on these if there are issues. And of course communication.

Don't be afraid to take a step back if it's not working, rather than ending it completely or struggling on trying to make it work and feeling resentful. Have weekends away from each other occasionally once you are living together - it's good to miss each other, and if you don't... it shows how good the relationship is!!

solo · 02/02/2010 00:47

I reckon that if we went back 50/60 years, that roles were separate and defined and marriage lasted longer. Expectations were different and family was family with far less divorce or even wanting a divorce because marriages were worked at more! obviously they weren't all happy.

upandrunning · 02/02/2010 02:42

Lots of deep breaths and a regular rearrangement of marital underwear to prevent misunderstandings.

Spannerweb · 02/02/2010 05:07

Please don?t put my name into any hat. This one?s for free.

My tips for a happy relationship are as follows ?

You are the proud owner of just as many annoying habits (if not more) as your other half. Bear that in mind before you start shouting and bawling over his tendency to leave all the kitchen cupboard doors wide open.

Ask yourself how often you have to ask him to sort out the PC, TV, dodgy shower, the car ? and how often you scream hysterically at him to get rid of spiders. Unless you would rather tackle all these by yourself in future, just do the things he?s not so good at doing.

There is no reason why a grown man cannot put a load in the washing machine. Likewise, if you are physically able to put out the bins and have time to do so ? do it. Do not fall into the trap of ?that?s your job? because unless only one of you wears clothes or puts things into the bin, it?s down to both of you to do it.

Be reasonable. Even when you are feeling unreasonable and thoroughly hacked off, be reasonable and apologise when you are wrong.

Respect each other?s need for space and privacy. You do not own each other nor should you want to.

When it comes to the kids, make sure you both sing from the same hymn sheet. Unless you are consistent and prepared to back each other up when the kids are trying to play you off, things will not be pleasant.

Show the same level of manners and courtesy as you do your friends and work colleagues. Why people think it acceptable to talk to their other half like shit is beyond me. If he is your best friend, treat him like one.

Play "I-Spy" every so often.

frakkinaround · 02/02/2010 06:09

Work on your friendship as much as your 'marital relationship'. Think about how you treat your friends - you make time to listen to your friends when they have a problem, you help a friend out when they need it, you thank a friend when they do something to help, you defend your friends and you look out for them - now apply that to your partner/spouse. Sex will come and go and children will grow up and leave but when things get tough friendship is what will see you through.

If you love someone enough it's very hard for them not to love you back.

Not my advice but my DMs when I was freaking out about feeling smothered and molly-coddled - when you're not happy about something he's done or is planning stop and decide whether he's doing it because he loves you or to annoy you. At least half the time it's because he loves you but just isn't choosing the right way to express it. With that in mind you can decide whether you go along with it because it would make him happy or tackle the situation tactfully!

FlamingoBingo · 02/02/2010 06:30

Be kind to eachother

Be honest with eachother

Don't put my name in the hat please, though as I think I'll just find the book irritating based on her top ten tips!

PuppyMonkey · 02/02/2010 06:40

I don't want to be put in the hat either (book sounds a big smuggity smug from smugsville to me). Yes everyone has a mother or mother in law and a dishwasher, of course.

  • Do your own stuff on your own lots. Get away from each other for a bit.

  • Watch You've Been Framed together and behave like little kids.

  • Make sure he agrees to get up with the kids on a Sunday morning while you have a lie in. You do Saturday morning.

  • Also, you don't need to get married to have a happy relationship. 16 years and counting.

RoyaltyIsMyOnlyDelusion · 02/02/2010 07:18

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posieparker · 02/02/2010 07:23

I met an elderly couple who seemed very much in love still and confessed to having a very happy marriage. When asked the lady, in her eighties replied, our secret is;
"never falling out of love at the same time."

orienteerer · 02/02/2010 07:27

Absence really does make the heart grow fonder - everyone needs their own space occasionally spending some time apart can be healthy (errr is that why DH works abroad for upto 6 weeks at a time).

Cyb · 02/02/2010 07:29

I think realsiisng it wont always be happy..and not panicking if you go off your dh momentarily. Also, keep yourself to yourself more, by that I mean, don't give everything body soul, brain to your family. kepp some stuff back for yourself.

danceswithfools · 02/02/2010 07:39

Be nice to each other, like someone already said it's the little things like making cups of tea.
Don't expect your DH to be everything to you at all times.
Don't make a big deal out of who does what, if you see something that needs doing just do it.

JFW, please don't advise people to have regular weekends away with their mother or mother-in-law looking after the DCS. Both of mine are dead. It is so easy for other people to underestimate how hard it is to be a mother without a mother yourself. If only they were here, I wouldn't be leaving the kids with them for the weekend, I'd be spending that weekend with them and loving it...

Flamesparrow · 02/02/2010 07:41

Posie She has a point. We're currently on a blip , and it is because we discussed the current love situation.... thankfully we're not at the same time, so I think we can save it.

Everyone has good and bad phases, you won't always be "in love", but they pass and it returns

essenceofSES · 02/02/2010 07:49
  • Someone once said to me "save your best you for eachother".
It's v easy to get bogged down by trying to get everything done and then finally collapse on the sofa and moan/snap. That is the most valuable time of the day with your partner so use it wisely (even if it means just being there quietly whilst they're glued to their favourite tv programme).
  • Say sorry whenever you need to. Don't hold back because they haven't said it.
Bonsoir · 02/02/2010 07:50

Reptilian love .

Obviously you then need to be polite, considerate, appreciative, attractive, hygienic and prepared to reach mutual compromises that make life as pleasant as possible for all concerned.

I certainly don't think that domestic trivia are worth analysing, however. Be a nice person to be around at home. You know what that means.

cocolepew · 02/02/2010 07:59

Separate houses.

TheFoosa · 02/02/2010 08:07

on separate continents