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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
Flamesparrow · 02/02/2010 08:13

Oh and sex.

I have spent the last ??? months/years putting priorities as sleep/book & tv/sex... This last month I have realised just how important sex actually is, and it should come higher than the other things - even if it means going to bed at 7pm.

Trickle · 02/02/2010 08:23

No idea - everything about me and dh shouldn't work, but it does.

Being flexible I guess, allowing for each other to be imperfect (whatever perfect is) and making time to spend apart and together. Both seem to equally be important, the time spent together can be as simple as cuddling up on the sofa or getting a coffee.

morningpaper · 02/02/2010 08:41

low standards go a long way

fortyplus · 02/02/2010 08:43

What's the old joke? I spent years searching for Mr Right... how was I to know that his 1st name was Always?

Some of these 'top tips' could be summarised as:

'Treat him like a child'

Bicnod · 02/02/2010 08:43

Realise that love isn't enough to make a marriage work. You need friendship, respect, trust, to feel like a team, to want to walk similar paths in life, to have a laugh, to give eachother the space and time to be individuals as well as one half of a couple, commitment to keep making it work through the hardest of times, willingness to make sacrifices for eachother, and so on...

Love is a good start but it doesn't automatically make for a long and happy marriage.

I could, of course, be talking out of my arse. DH and I have been friends for 16 years, together for 10 and married for 5 so not yet at the long marriage stage (although we are happy, most of the time).

Bonsoir · 02/02/2010 08:54

I agree with that, fortyplus. If I treated my DP in such a condescending way, I wouldn't last long!

EffiePerine · 02/02/2010 08:57

Enjoy spending time together (even if that means shouting at the telly)

LoveBeingAMummy · 02/02/2010 08:58

Not taking anything for granted, be it affection, manners, how dps day has been even when yours has been shit too, making time for each other, doing things that will make your partner happy, not forgetting before you were 3(or 4 or more) there was 2!

Hullygully · 02/02/2010 08:58

Staff.

Bonsoir · 02/02/2010 09:00

Indeed.

An acquaintance of mine calls her nanny/housekeeper the "Marriage Buffer".

MitchyInge · 02/02/2010 09:13

thumbs up here for the separate continents idea - will be celebrating 21 years of happy married life this year and have not seen/spoken to him for well over a decade

Miggsie · 02/02/2010 09:23

Say please and thank-you to your partner, and him to you.

A lot of couples take a lot of things for granted and this can cause resentment.

MisSalLaneous · 02/02/2010 09:47

Present a united front. Have your disagreements in private.

MollyRoger · 02/02/2010 09:49

He knows everything and I'm always right. Simples.

(I'm so sorry, but I don't want the book either, i just can't resist sharing the wisdom of 17 years together...)

Hulababy · 02/02/2010 09:54

Chose a partner you actually like and are friends with.

Flower3554 · 02/02/2010 09:58

I agree whole-heartedly with what Custardo said. I married Dh 35 years ago because I trusted him, we have been incredibly lucky in that we love each other as well but, for me, knowing he would never, no matter what the provocation, ever lift his hands to me was paramount.

I adored my late father but lashing out was his thing. His wife, his kids, made no difference, if he was angry he hit and I would rather have died than enter a marriage with that fear.

An oft heard sentence my mother spoke was "watch for dad getting off the bus, see if his hands are in his pockets"

If they were it meant he was clenching them in his pockets

sfxmum · 02/02/2010 10:18

a husband must be someone you actually like, respect and trust
and if having children, someone who will make a good father
everybody is different and will suit different partners, what works for some just doesn't for others
but no amount of early blind lust will make up for failings in the above

Enigmatica · 02/02/2010 10:24

Has any one mentioned being faithful and communicative?

All the rest is chaff IMO

SolidGoldBrass · 02/02/2010 10:30

Take up swinging.

(And don't put me in the hat, I don;t want a tedious heteronormative bucket of condescentions, thanks).

nickelbabe · 02/02/2010 10:30

i've got a couple:

laugh together. blowing raspberries on the tummy is a good way

sit together and do nothing. (sit on the settee holding hands while you watch telly)

share jobs. if he washes the pots, you hoover. if you change the sheets, he puts the washing away, etc.

Flamesparrow · 02/02/2010 10:32

I agree - also don't want the book.

My mum always goes on about some tv series about training husbands like dogs and how great it was. I am always . I have been a bitch to DH over the past few years (yes, I am working on it now I have realised), but I will not treat a man like a pet!

Whoamireally · 02/02/2010 10:37

My mum always says that in the 'olden days' the average length of a marriage/ relationship was short because people died young so you didn't have to worry about beyond 20 years or so. She thinks we have not evolved in relationship terms to match our enhanced life expectancies - and therefore we expect that we will be 'happily' together for the rest of our lives - and beat ourselves up over it when we're not.

So here are my top tips (not that I'm qualified to give them having only been married a mere 10 years )

  • Be flexible. Forever is a long time and you will be different people at the end than when you started out. If you can't grow together, you will grow apart. Relationships are wavy lines, not straight ones....
  • Listen properly, don't just 'hear'. I hate it when people say 'I hear you', wanky phrase , it means nothing. Listening means taking on board what your OH is saying, and thinking it through before replying. I hope my hubby reads this
  • Perfect the art of counting to ten. Many a word said in haste is repented at leisure

I'm really getting into this now! I'm off for some reptilian love

Keepo · 02/02/2010 10:39

Ver very low expectations

DuelingFanjo · 02/02/2010 10:39

Keep your friends and don't stop your partner from keeping his.

AccioPinotGrigio · 02/02/2010 10:42

No book for me either thanks.

A mutual enjoyment of the occasional, recreational doobie. A healthy disregard for anyone offering suggestions on how to live your life - politicians, upper-middle class grannies who are not even related to you etc.

Did I mention I don't want the book.