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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
OrmRenewed · 02/02/2010 15:14

Oh yes, and 1 very important rule, especially when you have DC: You are both on the same side. Assume that both of you want to do the best you can. Don't decide that you know better unilaterally.

TheFoosa · 02/02/2010 15:27

being married to Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall would be good

or any man who can cook, I'm not too fussed which one

BetterBitOfButter · 02/02/2010 15:47

I agree with Duchess - seperate duvets for the last 12 years of marriage is what has kept us together.

Who wants to share a stinky man duvet?

fruitshootsandheaves · 02/02/2010 16:21
  1. Talk to each other, don't bottle things up.
    Probably better to nag and get it out than to sulk for hours. Then something trivial can build up into huge resentment.

  2. Listen to his mindnumbingly boring interesting stories involving parts of aircraft work and try not to yawn look interested

PollyTechnique · 02/02/2010 16:22

"Never let the sun go down on your anger".

Overlook minor irritations and don't take offence over things that might gradually build up bitterness over time, creating emotional distance.

Be as tolerant and forgiving towards them as you would hope they would be towards you.

Make sure your marriage is the foundation of family life, and not your relationship with the dc.

Take note of what works in the marriages of older couples. There's some wisdom there we can all learn from.

therealbanksy · 02/02/2010 16:39

Really taking time to listen to one another.

whoopstheregoesmymerkin · 02/02/2010 16:45

separate bedrooms

whoopstheregoesmymerkin · 02/02/2010 16:46

and a garage with lots of tools, some motorbikes nad a telly in

sunburntats · 02/02/2010 16:50

Although together, do things seperately, we were individuals when we came into the relationship, we still are so persue your own thing while fully supporting your dh to do the same.
Its important to keep your own identity.

We both agreed early on that we can do our own stuff, but as long as it doesnt interfere with our family time/life its ok to do. Check in beofre amking any plans, ensure that it doesnt overlap a family plan/comitment.

I also think that it helps that we are both completely bonkers about our son, he comes first and foremost above any thing that we may plan. Its kind of come naturally to both of us when we became parents.

The main one for us is that we had such a fab life in our early years. We were persuing careers that we were passionate about, We had lovely holidays, bought and renovated our house, had great social lives and cemented lifelong friendships as a couple before we had kids.
We enjoyed our life as individuals, then as a couple before moving onto parenthood.
This was a great foundation to our lives together.
Been together for 17 years, married for 10 years in October.

themildmanneredjanitor · 02/02/2010 16:52

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heQet · 02/02/2010 16:54

What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

low standards.

CheeryCherry · 02/02/2010 16:59

Be tolerant with each other, patient and kind, ignore annoying habits - you will have just as many! Cuddle and massage. Have loyalty and trust. Take time to chat, really talking and listening. And keep your relationship issues between the two of you. Email and text, keep in touch. Small surprises will keep it fun, little notes, choccy treats etc... just to show your appreciation and not taking things for granted.God how sloppy do I sound?! Makes it all sound easy!

BadGardener · 02/02/2010 17:18

Honesty and kindness.

I must, however, point out to Granny Jane that the risk of the satnav solution to mapreading arguments is the ex-map-reading partner grumbling, 'He always follows her instructions, he never ever used to listen to mine.'

FromGirders · 02/02/2010 17:23

wtf is reptilian love, please?

BitOfFun · 02/02/2010 17:32

Reptilian love bothered me too. Does it involve a lizardy tongue, or just hissing at your partner occasionally?

My tip? Never underestimate the sheer number of utter scrotes out there if you've got a good partner. The grass is not always greener.

orienteerer · 02/02/2010 19:15

I'm with Duchess too - separate duvets

overmydeadbody · 02/02/2010 19:23

Accepting that love is an action, not a feeling, and that having a succesful content relationship requires effort.

Respecting your partner as an individual, not an extention of yourself or a posession.

Never ever assuming your partner is a mind reader.

Cyclops · 02/02/2010 19:37

How about:

All-round compatibility; e.g. level of education, outlook on life, level of sociability, having similar goals in life, communcation skills, similar sex drives, etc

Freedom within a relationship; more trust = more freedom

Acceptance of the other person's character as is without wanting to change parts of it

Emotional quotient compatibility

Mutual attraction

Cyclops · 02/02/2010 19:37

LOL communication

SolidGoldBrass · 02/02/2010 21:35

How about accepting that the secret to a long and happy life is understanding that couplehood is not essential and that it's much better to be single than in a shit relationship?

KerryMumbles · 02/02/2010 21:42

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Wigglesworth · 02/02/2010 21:51

Swallow.

scaryhairycat · 02/02/2010 22:02

The three Cs...

  • Communication

  • Compassion

  • Copulation

overmydeadbody · 02/02/2010 23:05

Surely that goes without saying SGB? It certainly does for me.

domesticslattern · 02/02/2010 23:58

"Love does not just sit there, like a stone; it had to be made, like bread, remade all the time, made new."
(Ursula Le Guin)