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What's the secret of a long and happy relationship?

135 replies

GeraldineMumsnet · 01/02/2010 22:32

Tell us what you think and you could win a signed copy of For Better For Worse by Jane Fearnley-Whittingstall. Jane (aka Granny Jane), mum of Hugh and big fan of MN, has followed up her Good Granny books with a light-hearted guide on how to have a successful marriage based on her own 47 years of happily married life and interviews with other couples.

We have five signed copies of For Better For Worse to give away. Every one who posts on this thread will have their name put into a hat and we'll pull five names out on Friday 5 February.

To get the thread going, Jane has contributed her own "Mumsnet top ten":

Daily domestic trivia can gradually erode a marriage or partnership: drip, drip, drip on a stone until you want to scream and probably do. Here are my suggestions for avoiding some of the flash-points.

In the kitchen

  • Where to start? With us it's the dishwasher - for decades I would load it then seethe while Rob re-arranged everything. Now we've agreed he always loads and I unload. Agree division of chores in a way that makes best use of each person's skills and preferences.

  • When he completes a simple chore, lay on the praise with a trowel, at least until you've established team spirit.

  • Don't save a tablespoon of gravy or half a fish finger in the fridge until it grows fur on top - eat it or bin it. It's taken 45 years of Rob's nagging for me to learn this one.

The washing

  • Never mind the pink underpants or the cashmere sweater shrunk to the size of a 12-year-old. It's the lone sock that causes most trouble. Rob has finally learned to buy six identical pairs, but here's a more radical solution: get him to wash his own.

In the car

  • The map-reader (usually the woman) takes a lot of flack. A friend gave her husband a satellite navigation kit just in time, she said, to avoid divorce. Now when the car ends up at the end of a country lane with a bull staring over a gate, he can blame the Sat Nav rather than the Old Bat Nav.

Families and friends

  • Make friends with your mother-in-law however difficult it may seem. It will pay dividends in terms of childcare and other practical help, and above all in terms of general harmony and happiness. She may be waiting for you to make the first move, so start now.

  • "Neither party to a sacred union should run down, disparage or badmouth the other's former girls or beaux... Sweetheart-slurring is encouraged by a long spell of gloomy weather, too many highballs, hangovers and the suspicion that one's spouse is hiding, and finding, letters in a hollow tree..." James Thurber

Rules of engagement

  • Of course you want to have The Last Word in every argument, but then he says "you always have to have the last word, don't you," and that's checkmate. So forget it.

  • Prevent rows by having quality time together, preferably for a whole weekend. Step forward, mother and mother-in-law, to make this possible. Once a week is great, once a month OK, once a year better than nothing.

  • See yourself through his eyes once in a while. Not quite perfect after all? Listen, too. Voice a tad shrill? Harping on the same old grievances? It's never too late to change.

  • TOP TIP If I was allowed just one tip it would be, see the funny side - laughter is infectious, so don't take yourself too seriously.

Thank you to Jane and TIA for your posts. Could this be the definitive MN guide to ending marital trouble and strife? Yeh, right.

OP posts:
Whoamireally · 02/02/2010 10:44

No book for me either thanks - APG makes a good point and having the opportunity to say my piece already is reward enough

becstarlitsea · 02/02/2010 10:44

It's all a bit middle class isn't it? Dishwashers, sat navs and weekends away... We can't afford any of that stuff, so it's a miracle that DH and I have managed to stay so happy together, really... And that's just it - making some 'recipe for a happy marriage' makes it sound like those of us who are lucky enough to have it are somehow better than people who get divorced but actually to quote the 'sunscreen song'...

"Maybe you?ll marry, maybe you won?t, maybe you?ll have children,maybe
you won?t, maybe you?ll divorce at 40, maybe you?ll dance the funky
chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary?what ever you do, don?t
congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either ? your
choices are half chance, so are everybody else?s."

Don't want the book. Sounds like it puts the 'smug' in 'smug marrieds'

aseriouslyblondemoment · 02/02/2010 10:54

speaking as a woman with one failed marriage behind her i feel that it's because of this that i've discovered what actually makes a long term relationship work
respect and courtesy
not taking each other for granted
honesty
unconditional support and loyalty
consistency regarding parenting
recognising the need for personal space and privacy
respecting the other person as an individual and not as an object which you own
shared goals and aspirations
my dp ticks all these boxes and more
but what really strikes me about the relationship i'm in now is that it just feels right and is effortless

juneybean · 02/02/2010 10:54

Stay single.

GooberHasBookedHerHols · 02/02/2010 13:04

Ignore him at all times.

Go out alone.

Rubyrubyruby · 02/02/2010 13:09

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noddyholder · 02/02/2010 13:12

Respect,lust,trust,admiration,spend enough time together doing the things you did before kids and everyday took over.listen and talk.Turn the bloody tv off and go to bed .

BlingLoving · 02/02/2010 13:13

Accept that neither of you will automatically do things the way you would. And yes, that goes for the little things like what sponges to use for the washing up to the bigger things like how to celebrate a birthday or buy a gift but, make sure that on the really big things you think the same - how to bring up kids, how to manage the money, broad ethical and moral questions.

I concede I haven't been married that long, but truly believe that this is the single hardest thing for most couples and I see it from my parents who have been married for 45 years all the way to friends who have been married for just a few months. And I don't believe my parents would have survived those 45 years if they hadn't just sat back and said, "right, well, that's just the way he/she does things, no matter how crazy and stupid it seems to me".

PoppityPing · 02/02/2010 13:14

Be kind to one another

Believe in each other

Be affectionate and have lots of sex

sallyjaygorce · 02/02/2010 13:15

Be pen pals

OrmRenewed · 02/02/2010 13:17

Affection, assuming the best and seeing the best where the it's meant, patience, humour.

OrmRenewed · 02/02/2010 13:18

And that old cliche - give, give and give some more. Don't keep score.

EleanoraBuntingCupcake · 02/02/2010 13:22

don't post in relationships on mn

MayorNaze · 02/02/2010 13:25

LAUGH together. talk to each other. cuddle lots. don't keep things from each other or lie to each other.

I WANT THE BOOK! can i just have it since no-one else does please?

bronze · 02/02/2010 13:27

If you can't also say your lover is your best friend then don't marry him/her

YouKnowNothingoftheCrunch · 02/02/2010 13:27

Marriage currently falling apart, but...

From when we were happy:-

Always go to bed at the same time.

Don't just listen to each other, listen and respond with empathy.

Laugh often.

JiminyCricket · 02/02/2010 13:30

Don't talk/moan about each other to other people in a disrespectful way.

Don't nag or patronise or assume your way is the best way. Say directly what your wants and needs are and don't assume they can all be met.

Do share dreams and future plans, and check in with each other that life is going in the right direction.

Work to your strengths and recognise your faults.

Have a super king size duvet on a king size bed.

When you feel annoyed about something, say it, don't seethe, even if it is something stupid.

Be aware that life is complicated and you can't know when a crisis will come.

DuchessOfAvon · 02/02/2010 13:33

Seperate duvets

JulesJules · 02/02/2010 13:38

Separate bathrooms
A cleaner

I don't have either of these things, I'm just surmising fantasising...

PuzzleRocks · 02/02/2010 13:54

What Bronze said.

aristocat · 02/02/2010 14:03

Good Sense of Humour for both of you

we dont argue......much?

pleaseplease i want the book too
thank you

TheArmadillo · 02/02/2010 14:04

Communicate properly and openly - none of the passive aggressive crap.

Be nice to your partner - say please/thank you and let them know they are appreciated - but make sure they do it back. Respect them as an equal human being.

Trust them and if you can't then you are not in the right relationship.

Pick your battles - you both have to compromise at times. Save the big battles for the things that are truly important to you.

Remember to laugh and have fun together.

None of this stuff can be one sided though. One person can not do all the work to save a relationship. If the other won't participate then there is fuck all you can do. It has to be a partnership of 2 equals.

And I don't want the book either.

bratnav · 02/02/2010 14:32

Play nicely, no sniping, if something bothers either of you then say so before it reaches serious irritation levels.

For every criticism give a genuine compliment.

If possible, go to bed together every night, much more chance of cuddles and intimacy (not necessarily sex) if you do, it is much more difficult to get annoyed with someone you cuddle at least daily.

Accept that your partner is not perfect, just perfect for you, and remember the same for yourself.

I will admit that I am 10 months into my 2nd marriage

nickelbabe · 02/02/2010 14:44

Duchess from experience, i can confirm that the separate duvet thing doesn't work!

OrmRenewed · 02/02/2010 15:13

Oh yes, and 1 very important rule, especially when you have DC: You are both on the same side. Assume that both of you want to do the best you can. Don't decide that you know better unilaterally.