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is there a moldies part three?

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Tortington · 03/01/2009 15:31

just wondering, as i can't find it.

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chipmonkey · 06/01/2009 16:01

Do you call them centimes, Cote? We just call them cent!

CoteDAzur · 06/01/2009 16:02

"Centimes" in France, where I live

chipmonkey · 06/01/2009 16:02

I didn't know you had been slagged off on Narnia, Rhubarb.

chipmonkey · 06/01/2009 16:03

Ah well, I'm in Ireland. That would be too big a word for us!

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:04

Yes true, but some of them were rl friends, such as eekareinder to me and for custy, well she set up lots of local meet-ups and thought many of those were friends as she saw them so often.

Even now if the Moldie organisers came on and said, "Look, we screwed up, we're sorry things turned out the way they did. We're not going to shut down the site, but we are sorry for any hurt caused." That would do it for me.

But they are not. I'm going to move on, anyone coming?

Sparkletastic · 06/01/2009 16:07

Does this change the way you and Custardo feel about mingling MN with RL Rhubarb? Will you continue to participate in meet-ups for example do you think? I have no agenda in asking BTW but have read all these threads (am a terrible lurker) and I'm genuinely interested if you are prepared to answer. And please don't let me hold up that moving on with my curiosity...

Flamespar · 06/01/2009 16:08

Erm thedongwiththeluminousnose... "Some of you who are wondering why you weren't invited, the answer is simple, you hadn't been invited YET. There was every intention to invite more people and quite often the cry was heard 'omg we forgot xxxx!' No ulterior motives, no nasty reasons, just temporary memory loss"

That isn't true though is it?

Flamespar · 06/01/2009 16:10

Why am I posting and reading this... I don't actually care

Stuff like this is why the majority of MN is hidden for me now. I find myself Having An Opinion on sh*t that doesn't matter in my life in any shape or form

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:14

Sparkle, I've been pondering this. I didn't attend that many Mumsnet meet-ups, I think I went to 4 Manchester ones in the early days and 2 London Xmas ones.

Custy was forever organising local Brighton ones, she organised about 2 early London Xmas ones and has been on every Xmas do since they got going! She even went to the M/cr one AND the London one last year!

So for her, I think it will affect it yes. She met many rl friends through Mumsnet, so it's not just faceless strangers. I haven't asked her outright, but I'm not sure if she is planning on any Brighton meet-ups in the near future.

For me, well it all depends really. Sorry, that's not an answer is it?

Thomcat · 06/01/2009 16:18

Rhubabr - I'm only asking in a non confrotational way - but are you saying you're not friends with someone now becasue they are on moldies and your not, not becasue you and this person have had cross words etc? You can't consider them to be a friend on MN or in RL because they stay on moldies despite knowing you haven't been invited, is that right? Just interested to understand the depth of feeling on this that's all.

Thomcat · 06/01/2009 16:19

Ohhh sorry for very odd typing of your name!

DaddyJ · 06/01/2009 16:25

Rhubarb, do you have any idea of why you weren't invited?

I pretty much worked out why Custardo was vetoed
and my guess is that you were excluded as you two are friends.

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:25

Ah, I don't want to offend the person in question. Nothing like that really, I had no idea she was a Moldie - I'm quite opinionated about it all, as you may have noticed, but then I'm an opinionated person and tbh I could see how much it had hurt custy and others so I was also angry about that. This friend took offence, on behalf of her friends as well as herself.

I can understand that, I've been angry on Custy's behalf.

However I can't change how I feel about it all. There is a misconception that this is about us not being invited, it's not, it's about the secrecy and hypocrisy. If we had been emailed about it, my response would have been to advise honesty. Because these things have a nasty habit of coming out in the wash, so better to be upfront and explanatory, than to be confronted and defensive.

MoreSpamThanGlam · 06/01/2009 16:28

I didnt realise that custy had been so involved with everything in real life. What utter utter bitches to leave her out.

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:29

DaddyJ, I don't know if my name was mentioned or if I was vetoed too.

There are some members of Moldies true enough, that both custy and I don't get on with. Perhaps that is why. Or how could they invite one of us expecting to keep it a secret from the other? Or perhaps they did know we wouldn't approve of an eliticist group? After all, Custy has been most outspoken on this so perhaps they did fear her scorn? However if they did, then perhaps they don't know us quite as well as they imagine.

It doesn't matter. The site is there, it's there to stay, this is Mumsnet. I was criticised for making this all about me and custy, so I'm a little uncomfy discussing it's personal implications on me.

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:30

One true thing though, we would have declined.

Sorry but I do have to make that clear! reindeer is right about that bit, we wouldn't belong to such a group.

Prufrock · 06/01/2009 16:30

I'm a moldie, so another you can probably put on your list of people who you have talked to who aren't friends anymore Rhubs. I am sorry that you and Custy feel hurt by moldie behaviour, but want to reassure you (even though I doubt you will believe me) that hurt was not intended. Mumsnet oldies who had complained that the site wasn't like it used to be (which I don't think anyone can deny even without having to make a value judgement on which was better) had been told on more than one occasion to fuck off and start our own site instead of complaining here, so we did. Well actually, Twig happened upon the already set up GF refuge forum, and e-mailed the people who had been on it and people who where on a facebook conversation at the time - it was random, and grew organically.

So whilst I do see the point of your analogy, I'd like to amend and extend it slightly. How about:

You have a group of friends, some members of that group have been in there from the beginning and they decide they don't really like some of the new group members. So one day a few of them happen to bump into each other in the private, members-only golf club. They decide it's a nicer place than the pub, and gradually mention to a few of their mates from the pub that they are now members of the golf club and they should join to. Then they realise that if they each invite too many people from the pub, the golf club will get too busy and they won't be able to play a round, so they start discussing (on a names only basis) who they would each like to invite. Bob's name is mentioned, as is Fred's and Steve's. Fred is popular and is mates with a lot of the golf club set so he gets in no problem, nobody really knows who Steve is so they say we'd rather not have him, and Algernon (an existing member) privately lets the person compiling the numbers know that he would have to leave if Bob was invited because Bob had shagged his wife. So Bob isn't invited. Other people express surprise that Bob's not there, but are told that there's a personal issue and that if Bob comes, Algernon leaves, and decide that even though Bob's a good guy, so is Algernon, and he was here first.

But they also think that they quite like the landlord of the pub and don't want to steal all his business, and let him know that they like him, but his pub's changed, and he agrees it has, but he quite likes it, especially the extra takings, but come back for a chat whenever you feel like it. They also don't want to upset Bob, especially as some of them still like him, and you never really know exactly what goes on in relationships, and Algy's wife might have had a good reason to shag around, so they decide to keep it secret.

This carries on.

Then one day the pub finds out about the golf club. The friends are hurt. Some of pub group start telling Bob that they reckon he was discussed behind his back and wasn't good enough to join the club. He doesn't know which of his friends thought this, so not only is he hurt, he's also mistrustful of those he considered friends. He ignores the fact that he slept with Algy's wife so some people might indeed have a legitimate issue with him. In fact, he's so hurt by all of it that he starts flirting with every golf club members wife, but still can't understand why anyone would possibly have a problem with him, because that's just how he is. Other people in the pub, lots of whom didn't like the stuck up old regulars anyway, weigh in to win up the situation more, and the golfers feel like they can't come back, which is a shame, because the beer was bloody good,

JustinExcelsisMumsnet · 06/01/2009 16:31

Just got back from a week off during which barely a Moldie thought flitted through my head - bliss - and see that there is still some rumbling going on.

First a couple of responses.
eekareindeer - my reference to Moldies wasn't deliberate, it was a mistake (quite a big one in restrospect) as I've posted a few times, but heck I can't make you believe me if you're of a mind not to - I'm sorry about that.

DaddyJ this is not (and never has been as far as I can see) a fight between MNHQ and Moldies, and certainly not between me and Twiglett. But you've, rightly I think, asked for our thoughts, so here they are again:

It is our fervent wish for everyone to move on. We can't see any further purpose in prolonged scab-picking - the only result will be further recrimination and further hurt.

MNHQ's position remains:

  1. We bear absolutely no ill-will towards any Moldies members (all of whom are welcome on/back to Mumsnet at any time should they wish to post).
  1. We absolutely understand why the Moldies wanted a private group. We also understand that not everyone's motive for being there is the same - for some it was privacy, for some intimacy, for some just a straight desire to get their Old Mumsnet back. We also understand that some of the members (though not all) had left MN anyway again for lots of different reasons - all of which are completely understandable/ valid etc. We have never ever taken umbrage at folks leaving. We genuinely have no wish to keep anyone here who doesn't want to be here - the opposite in fact because if folks aren't happy at being here they generally post accordingly! We have never taken umbrage at folks leaving. MN is there to make people's lives easier - how could we?
  1. We absolutely understand why those who were hurt to find out about Moldies were feeling hurt. We're sorry that being a Mumsnetter led to that - it's not what we're here for.
  1. We would like to try private groups a la facebook some time later this year as we believe it might have been a solution that could have avoided some of that hurt. We've actually been thinking about it since the SN group was formed a few years ago but haven't really have sufficient tech available to do it. I do think private groups, but crucially with the scrutiny of a public board, where folks can voice complaints, might be the answer (then again they might not be right for MN but worth a try we think).
  1. We agree with those who have said that, on balance, MN has been a happier place since a small group of established members found somewhere else to post instead of/ or in addition to Mumsnet. From a MNHQ point of view it was pretty demoralising seeing post after post saying things ain't what they used to be, and can't have been any fun for newbies either.

Mumsnet was formed with the express intention of allowing parents to help each other by pooling knowledge, experience, support and friendship. The continuation of this discussion is really not helping anyone in our humble opinion and so therefore is against the spirit of the site.

However, we don't tend to delete things simply because we don't want to see them posted. So, roughly three weeks and 1000s upon 1000s of posts into this, how about we try and let it slip off active conversations? It takes a few of us to sit on our hands and grit our teeth rather than make our points, which is doggone hard, we know.

So long as it's on active conversations it will continue to bubble away and flare up occasionally - and surely there's not a lot more to be said that hasn't been said already? I know that's never stopped us in the past (baby pasta anyone?) but in this case it would be nice if it did.

Happy New Year to all!

Thomcat · 06/01/2009 16:34

So I'm not invited to join golf club but am told about it and told I won't be invited. Is that supposed to make me feel better than not being invited and finding out about it anyway?

stillstanding · 06/01/2009 16:35

Prufrock, when you read your analogy do you think it makes things clearer or easier to understand? Because I read it and think your golf club is even worse than Rhubarb's ...

Rhubarb · 06/01/2009 16:36

Understood Justine - but just to briefly answer Prufrock's post.

You say Bob shagged Algernon's missus - if that is an analogy that means that we did something unspeakable to hurt other Mumsnetters, which is a horrible thing to say.

Truly it is.

There I leave it.

BecauseImWorthIt · 06/01/2009 16:36

HNY, Justine - and all at MNHQ.

One thing in this that never occurred to me was how hurt you must all have been to hear people complaining that MN wasn't 'like it used to be'.

Anyhoo. In the spirit of MN, can I suggest - as I did so valiantly on the last thread - that when this one gets to 1000 that we let it rest? That gives us all about another 100 or so posts to say any last thoughts, and then we can skip into the future all holding hands?

hullygully · 06/01/2009 16:36

I never liked that Algernon, his wife was a right goer, though.

BecauseImWorthIt · 06/01/2009 16:37
JustinExcelsisMumsnet · 06/01/2009 16:37

Oh Balls! Prufrock that was a damm good post - and one v hard not to reply to but surely we've reached the nineteenth hole by now?

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