Miscarriage guidelines - fabulous - but...

[hunkermunker]

mumsnet.com/miscarriagecodeofpractice.html

..will you be putting together some breastfeeding support ones?

No, not for linking to mental health pages

For your previous post two or three down with your "howwid day" post in it.

And for shattering my illusion that hunker isnt perfect

ahh
bollocks
who is?
i have to go to bed now
dh has been in bed for ages and he has had a howwid day or 5 so I must go and shag him soothe his fevered brow

Yes of course women need advice on how to ff, abit confused because when preg with ds1 was surrouned with detailed instruction on ff,anyway that goes without saying. But I dont think the same level of support is needed like it is for bf. You dont have problems latching on, or problems with your milk not coming in, sore and cracked and extremely painful nipples, getting thrush on your boobs and in babies mouth, getting mastitis, problems with your supply which then gets worst the more stressed you get,feeling like you cant carry on bf because you so tired you need someone else to do a feed but unfortunely you cant detach your boob. There are many problems that can arise with bf that dont arise with ff and that is why support is needed. Im sorry if I am not sounding positive for bf but it is hard work and alot of mums feel like giving up. Yes sterilizing and preparing bottles is a pain but it is not rocket science and its not as hard as bf, Im not bias as I have done both. Thats why there is no real call for 'formula feeding counsellors'. I am not denying that ff need better access to info and help but its pathetic when someone says we need more support for bf and people come on saying what about ff, it sounds childish, you cant possibly be left out can you

"it sounds childish, you cant possibly be left out can you"

No and why should we??? Just because FFing present a (mostly( totally different set of problems doesn't mean they don't exist.....

I never used bottles, I knew enough to know it would be the complete downfall of our nursing relationship. I used the formula she had been on all her life, gave it like they did in the hospital, gave her as much as the BF/MW told me to give her and read the instructions for making it up.

I don't need patronising and I don't need to be told well done . I had no option either, I would have ended up being reported had I not done it. I was told that in front of Mum who is a child protection social worker and my HV knows it, so she wasn't bluffing.

The reason I got into the Buddies was because I had a hard start and it didn't get much better, but we did it. I did it because some women are just totally let down from the start with what should be an easy time.

I get angry with HCPs who spout nonsense and fail mothers and their babies. I get angry with people who call me anti-FF. I get angry at being called a BF Nazi. I get angry at being patronised. I never blame a mother or get angry at her - for her, maybe, not at her.

Also like to add I have never heard of an experience when a mother who ff baby seeks advice from a medic with problems and is told 'sounds like the bottle isnt working right for your baby trying giving her the breast instead'. But I have heard many a times of bf women who have sort advice who have been told to give up and give baby a bottle, not very supportive

faq but the orginal post wasnt saying we deserve more support than ff. It was asking for support for bf, is it really so much of a competition that someone cant say bf without people saying dont forgat about ff. If you started a thread asking for more support for ff I dont think it would be appropiate for me to post 'what about bf'. My sentiments would be more like 'if you feel you need more support I am behind you 100% in demanding more support'

Well said orangehead on both your posts.

Hello.

I had hoped that this thread could be a discussion of how to put across the needs of women who want to breastfeed and the sorts of things that HCPs could do and know in order to facilitate this - following the style of the miscarriage guidelines. I posted the thread too quickly, without explaining fully.

So when the first reply was "and what about bottlefeeding" it did annoy me a bit, because I saw (too late!) the turn that the thread was going to take. In my OP, I ought to have said something about bottlefeeding, sure. Most women do both, after all - happily, or not so happily. That's why it's so absurd that it's an either/or versus situation.

Thanks for the insults though, chaps - burning martyr - nope, plus whatever JV said (very flattering, having a stalker - thanks for keeping me in check ).

EIS and anyone else who would like to imply that I am dissing the miscarriage guidelines or having a go at anyone who's had a miscarriage - thanks for thinking so little of me.

Justine, you know where I am Thank you.

And can we take a moment to imagine what would've happened if someone had posted a thread asking for bottlefeeding support guidelines and the first post on it was me saying "And what about breastfeeding?" - which it never would've been (stop scoffing, JV, you'll do yourself a mischief). I'm ALL FOR better bottlefeeding information - you'll find me on threads talking about how to make up formula, arguing the case for better information, in fact (no rusty bean tins) and putting the alternate view to the "never-did-mine-any-harmers".

And CD, yes, I can defend myself, but not when my computer isn't on! VVV didn't deserve your snide. As for bfing nazi - did I already say sheesh on this thread?! Surely you know me better than that?

where did anyone say that they wanted bottle feeding advice instead of Breastfeeding??

Where did I say that they'd said that? The thread was never going to be about breastfeeding support with a first reply like that, that was my point.

sorry just found it

"That's why it's so absurd that it's an either/or versus situation."

Oh my word - I have no wish to get further into this wierd egocentric mess.
But, what the frig is the 'stalker' comment all about, Hunker??

I've barely come across you in months, and I can't recall that we've ever had much to do with each other anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against you in general, but would certainly rather avoid you on anything to do with BF/FF - not because I find anything you say overly objectionable, more that I find your intensity on the subject quite irritating.
In fact I ahve (like many others) hidden the feeding topic for this reason.

My comments on this thread were specifically about this thread.

Your comments, well I have no friggin' idea what that's all about. Do you have me confused with someone else??