Trans identified Mumsnet member AidaP is scraping Mumsnet

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Hi Mumsnet, though you should know that a trans identified man - who often posts on Mumsnet as @aidap - is scraping the feminimism board, in order to create some sort of grading system.

It's basically electronic stalking.

What is this?

Oh yes, I have downloaded most of mumsnet and we will be doing embeddings of the content to try to understand how does the rot and hate builds and spreads.

I never had so much hate and delusion on my hard drive before 😅

https://bsky.app/profile/aidap.bsky.social/post/3mkklbtpgbs2s

So, you don’t keep records of these things… yet you then make direct accusations ?

Yes, I'm making a direct accusation. I remember the threads clearly.

Making direct accusations against other posters breaks mumsnet talk guidelines as it is a personal attack.

Edited to add: It's also weird behaviour from someone who claims that it's horrible to claim someone is something they're not - as it's exactly the behaviour on display here.

So, you think any discussion as to whether a person might be male yet being said to be female where sex matters and giving reasons for that concern to be mocking.

And that those raising valid points are to be demonised because you, personally, don’t consider it reasonable. Good to know you cannot see the difference.

That the thread was deleted is a sign of moderation working.

Sometimes the moderation team will allow a thread to continue with their attention to see how it progresses because the thread may not be unreasonable in itself. They will take action when they have judged something has gone too far or the OP was not posting in the spirit of the site. However, they are usually a good judge of reasonable standards.

I would suggest that you report any threads you deem to be ‘mocking’ and if it isn’t deleted, there is an indication as to whether your personal standard is reasonable or overly sensitive.

Fine, report away.

Generally speaking trying to shame people for doing the exact thing you're literally doing in plain sight is unlikely to be effective as it's quite hypocritical.

Reminds me of eco-campaigners telling us all not to fly as they jet around the world to climate conferences.

Yes.

And posting heart reaction emojis to posts where that can be construed as bullying behaviour is a sign that some posters don’t seem to be able to judge reasonable behaviour .

When was this? In the last week, the last year, the last decade?

It was fairly recently, why on earth do you need a time stamp?! Will that make it magically better? 😕

Anyway, I'm done with a hypocritical derail which tries to shame a group of women for allegedly (with no evidence) behaving badly, and away from a man that has made rape threats online and who claims to be engaging in stalker-like behaviour against a wider group of women.

No, it is to see whether your accusation is founded in reality.

'fairly recently'. So post-Covid?

Definitely post COVID.
Maybe the last year or two? Not that long ago.
You don't have to believe me. I don't care.
Not everyone sees a thread, acknowledges the date and time and writes it down/marks it on their phone or whatever it is you're imagining, maybe that's what you do, who knows.

Thank you.

I'm very glad to hear he's been banned.

Ironically that's what the subject of the thread (who, to be clear, is an obvious piece of shit) has done. We would agree it is very poor behaviour.

But you can't then, in the same breath, insist on date and time stamps for instances of abusive and transphobic threads that have regularly popped up, and lingered for too long.

I have no issue with MN moderation, except that they seem slow to act on occasion. Again, ironically, others have said the same about the poster subject of this thread. I would be surprised if they were milking the situation for clicks.

Well yeah they can't ban someone for an anonymous identity that relies on the person admitting to/saying what sex they are.

If we suspected someone of being a man and they kept saying they weren't, we/MN wouldn't be able to prove it either way? Even though you do know.

Just catching up with this now-very-long thread.

my view is that they should not be discriminated against for being trans, all while being treated in all cases as their biological sex.

That makes you a TERF. Welcome!

Are you aware that threads only get examined after they are reported? You (yes you!) are an important part of the moderation process.

Sitting back and waiting for a thread that you think is harmful to disappear is like watching a house burn down and waiting for someone else to call the fire brigade.

So - did you report the threads you found objectionable?

Odd that a post in Site Stuff about a now banned trolling poster has morphed into "no you're the mean ones!" because women can no longer trust that men will stay out of women's spaces.

People have things called memories, you know.
Although of course there's no way of "proving that" with time stamps, and copying links and saving them to archives or whatever.... but that's seemingly expected it seems what with the calls for them.
Yet this is a thread denouncing (rightly!) someone who seems to be doing exactly that type of thing.

Some e.g. podiatrists are also predators or fetishists, it doesn’t mean I’m going to talk about them as if assuming they all are.

I certainly reported individual posts, which were (eventually) deleted. I wasn't aware it was possible to report an entire thread - I think the moderators have to do that off their own back. i could be mistaken?

Again, my issue isn't with moderation. it's with the fact that these horrible threads pop up in the first place.

The regulars either engage, or shrug their shoulders. And then, because those threads can't be linked to, confidently assert there's no transphobia on Mumsnet. As multiple posters on this thread have demonstrated well.

You can report a whole thread by reporting the OP. In your report to MNHQ you can say why you're reporting the thread, or be specific about certain posts.

Then it's up to MNHQ to decide a) to delete the whole thread or b) delete certain posts.

It's really important to understand that you can (and should) report posts and threads if you think they're against Talk Guidelines.

@AStonedRose yes, you can report a whole thread.
You just report the actual OP and in the comments, you ask the mods to look at the thread as a whole.

That’s what I do.

This isn't really how it unfolded. I made the point that it's difficult to adopt the moral high ground when there has been some shitty conduct in the other direction recently. It used to be axiomatic on here (I'm a long-time lurker) but seems to have ceased to be.

The almost-universal response was that these things never happened. That's an untruth, and it invites a response.

The irony (among others) is that I agree that the poster subject of the thread is a piece of shit. I don't think men can change sex, I think there's unfortunately a minority of men posing as trans who are sexual predators.

The regulars either engage, or shrug their shoulders.

You are a regular. If you didn’t report the threads then you shrugged your shoulders. Sitting back and tutting under your breath doesn’t count.