FWR being trolled by a user called AidaP

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Hi MNHQ can you please address the issue of a certain poster called AidaP who is not participating in debate he is just trolling.

to be clear this person is a trans woman who has been convicted of violence and is posting promotion of acts of violence against women elsewhere.

in particular there is one elsewhere about using a roughly hewn rolling pin to rape women.

you realy need to look in to him it is just so not on that he is being allowed to bother us here.

Do you mean some of the GC posters? Because more than one gives far more "white middle aged man" vibes to me than any sort of female vibes. Just by the way they interact with people. Sort of like Clarkson.

Agree. It’s the bigger issue here.

YY. I certainly won’t be engaging further with this individual.

What is also interesting though is that the moderation policy on MN does also draw a distinction around different versions of fuck off / fuck you / fuck that.

Posters can be deleted for saying ‘fuck off / fuck off with that shit’ and saying ‘fuck you’ directly to another poster. They don’t tend to get deleted for saying ‘fuck Starmer’. I haven’t seen any posts standing where someone is saying ‘fuck x with a specific thing’.

So MNHQ seems to recognise there is a difference.

I gave an example of my middle aged colleague who says it. Lots of women say it. I've heard it on TV. It really isnt some rarity for it to be used. You will probably find people saying it on this site and it went unnoticed because it really was a benign comment to express an opinion..

The interpretation of the post is a creative leap by the irrational and desperate.

Misogyny will always be with us, acknowledging basic biological facts will not change that.

It’s useful to think of vulnerability as situational. So, for example, in a communal changing room where sex-based exclusions are not enforced, a woman will obviously be vulnerable in comparison with a man.

It’s also useful to remember that following safeguarding recommendations and guidelines protects men from false accusations.

Either way, men, however they identify, should stay the hell out of women’s intimate spaces.

We dont commonly have a saying involving castration which means "reject that". We don't have "castrate you" like we have "fuck you". That's what makes it different.

I'd feel differently if someone explicitly said "rape X" or 'rape X with an X", we don't have "rape you" as a colloqualism.

This all centres in the fact that "fuck you/them/him" is something we say and it has never been seen as a rape threat against that person. Very rude? Yes. Rape threat? No

Your posts started off all faux reasonable and “oooh it’s both sides” to this. I always say, give a person enough time and they’ll show their true self. Look, we get it. It’s fine. You believe men can threaten women with rape and it’s fine but any woman not affirming a man’s “identity” is evil, and deranged. Got it.

I agree with single sex spaces. But not becauae women are vulnerable and men are all dangerous sex predators. Just because we are entitled to privacy and in a shared space, sharing privacy with like-bodied people makes most sense.

I completely agree. Which is why I called it “creative sexual violence imagery”. It’s not the same as saying “Fuck Starmer” or whatever.

This thread has been illuminating.

thanks all.

I dont think "fuck you" is a rape threat. Half the reason ive come to the conclusion about the rationality of sone of you on here is because you try to argue the way you do. I dont agree that the post was a rape threat so continually calling it that to prove your point just leads me to think you don't have one. You just have anger and resentment against Aida. Which is cute and kind of weird but nothing rooted in anything but your emotions.

I went from believing Aida had made reape threats to it being continually thrust in my face, reading the actual post and then seeing you had stretched it being reality. If you never did all that, I'd still believe Aida really did make a rape threat. You see how you fuck things up for yourselves?

I mean, you all see what's going on. To extend a little on what a PP said, literally nobody carefully and honestly considers "both sides" of "do women have knobs" and "should women have single sex changing rooms and rape centres" and concludes that women aren't inherently vulnerable. The existence of such spaces was never a mystery before. It's a trope designed to suggest that the person making the risible claim has come at it from a position of perfect objectivity (and is therefore definitely right) and, as the only fully rational person in the room, has totally impartially concluded that... women aren't inherently vulnerable. Honestly, you do have to laugh.

Anyway, as another PP said, it is all just time wasting and deflection at this point.

IOC, FINNISH STUDY

Did the amusement park thread occur on this site?

Women arent inherently vulnerable beings who need safeguarding. I get that you want women to be seen that way, most women do not. We want to be viewed as people with full capacity and the ability to choose things for ourselves. We don't want it to be easier for authority figures to remove our choice on the basis that we are vulnerable and need protection.

I get that some women have been raised to embrace that role - the fragile feminine. Many of us reject it though.

What amusement park thread @GlovedhandsCecilia ? Betty was talking about amusing but fake parking threads

I think she fell victim to auto correct

Yep.

So whatever the thread was, was it on here? If so, how is that comparable to a post on a different site?

Here are some examples of people using that colloqualism here. Its hard to find ones where they speak about a person because you have to search specifically for an exact quote, but i will actually do that later.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5305842-boyfriends-living-together-conditions?reply=143230709&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3185452-wwyd-cake-delivered-too-late?reply=76113977&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

I'm currently searching "fuck that with a" site:mumsnet.com.

wow, @GlovedhandsCecilia seems over invested in supporting a poster who has a track record of saying absolutely shocking things about women. In the words of Maya Angelou: when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

I think some posters here have said absolutely shocking things about women. Additionally, the things people said Aida has said seem to be taken well out of context.

I dont just blindly support any group of women. Women can be wrong too. In this case, I think you all have let your emotions override your rationality when it comes to this subject. You act as barmy as any trans person I've ever encountered on this topic.

Quite.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't recall Cecelia ever arguing with Aida and his fellow TRAs on here quite so vociferously and for such a long period of time.

And yet, those spaces have always been segregated due to the need to limit the risk of physical attacks on female people or just intimidation from male people.

Whether you wanted them to be or not, that doesn’t remove one of the most significant reasons for segregated in the first place.

safeguarding has been happening around you and you don’t seem to have understood it or that it is and has been the basis of the policies that have been used for segregation from the first. While you can selectively choose why you agree with a policy, it doesn’t remove the other reasons the policies exist.