We need to be able to discuss Gaza

[ismu]

Can MNHQ please allow a forum to discuss Gaza with some clear guidelines on what and what is not considered anti semitic?
Taking these threads down just dumbs down the site completely.

To add some other sites lock threads at night when there's less mods about and reeppen in the morning, perhaps something like that?

People don’t like the true reply to this but it’s gen one that makes the mais sense . A relatively last he portions of Palestinians suporta Hamas , none of those countries wants any more terrorist attacks or presence in their countries .
If you read ‘ son if Hamas ‘ by mossab hassan yousef , he explains what is like to grow up in Gaza . He also speaks in the United Nations .

Interestingly, the condemnations issued by Western leaders have been identical to that by the UAE and various aid organisations, who seem sure of the guilty party, in tone and content, only with the omission of the word “Israel”. Which suggests to me it’s not that the western leaders don’t know who was responsible for the bombing of the hospital, but rather that none want to be the first high ranking Western leader to effectively call out the IDF as liars.

You don't need a special forum for discussing Gaza.

You also don't need clear guidelines on what is or isn't antisemitism. The Jerusalem Declaration and IRHA have already defined that as follows:

• It is racist to essentialize (treat a character trait as inherent) or to make sweeping negative generalizations about a given population. What is true of racism in general is true of antisemitism in particular.

• What is particular in classic antisemitism is the idea that Jews are linked to the forces of evil. This stands at the core of many anti-Jewish fantasies, such as the idea of a Jewish conspiracy in which “the Jews” possess hidden power that they use to promote their own collective agenda at the expense of other people. This linkage between Jews and evil continues in the present: in the fantasy that “the Jews” control governments with a “hidden hand,” that they own the banks, control the media, act as “a state within a state,”

• Antisemitism can be manifested in words, visual images, and deeds. Examples of antisemitic words include utterances that all Jews are wealthy, inherently stingy, or unpatriotic. In antisemitic caricatures, Jews are often depicted as grotesque, with big noses and associated with wealth.

• Antisemitism can be direct or indirect, explicit or coded. For example, “The Rothschilds control the world” is a coded statement about the alleged power of “the Jews” over banks and international finance. Similarly, portraying Israel as the ultimate evil or grossly exaggerating its actual influence can be a coded way of racializing and stigmatizing Jews. In many cases, identifying coded speech is a matter of context and judgement, taking account of these guidelines.

• Denying or minimizing the Holocaust

• Applying the symbols, images and negative stereotypes of classical antisemitism to the State of Israel.

• Requiring people, because they are Jewish, publicly to condemn Israel or Zionism (for example, at a political meeting).

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

• Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

When asked if the IDF was 100% certain that it was not an IDF missile strike that hit the hospital in Gaza, IDF spokesperson Conricus said he is “as certain as anybody in war can be with millions of pieces of information flying around."
"But after a very serious review, I can say that is the information that we have now we are confident and the information that we have says this was a failed launch by Islamic Jihad," he said.

Hhmmm. .. “As certain as anyone in war can be”. I’m calling BS. Sounds like Israel is just hoping to deflect for as long as necessary and keep it as “open to debate” until some new News takes it’s place.

They take credit then delete when too many civilians are dead. 😢

Reports of 2 explosions at the hospital approx 20 mins apart

First in the forecourt - ?fragments/part of terrorist missile

Second explosion actual hospital causing the huge blaze - ??????

How come their are receipts for this event but not for the attack on the evacuating women and children?

Have a look at the protests in Jordan ASKING for the boarder to be open.

Responsible for what?

It's a mob of 100s thousands angry young men

Not the anyone who's in charge of Jordan !

Report all you like but do try harder to say why it's hate speech to suggest somebody is looking for evidence to support their anti semitic ideas. Because they are.

Al Jazeerah allows anti semitic content
See this excerpt :

The seven-minute video, which was published last week on the network’s online channel, AJ+, stated that Israel was the “greatest beneficiary” of the Holocaust and that it happened, but “it’s different from how the Jews tell it.”

@Efacsen - see words like that are wrong. Why say 'angry mob of young men'? They are people protesting for the boarder to be open.

Did you call Saturday's march in London the same?!

We don't know what diplomatic conversations are happening behind the scenes.

Threads like this are just stoking the fire. Tensions are high enough, if this thing spreads and God forbid WW3 starts, shall we carry on arguing on here until either the muslims wipe out the Jews or vice versa on uk soil?

The protest is nothing like the one in London at the weekend

It is 99% males under 35

They are throwing missiles and earlier were being violently subdued by ?armed police

They are enraged by the ;attack' on the Gaza hospital and shouting abuse at the Israeli Embassy

The crowd has become so large that the police are overwhelmed

Nothing at all like the London protest attended by my DC

The KIng of Jordan said yesterday that he supports people from Gaza 'staying in their own land' and later called off the summit with Biden as only solution is an 'end to the war'

Disagree. It is incredibly sensitive and potentially dangerous and would therefore require continual monitoring. You cannot genuinely believe that such a forum could be safe for either Israelis or Palestinians, of course it could not be.

Hello @ismu we think many of the threads you and others here refer to were hidden by our filters. We have no intention of censoring discussion so long as it's within our Talk guidelines.

Our usual processes here involve MNHQ reviewing hidden threads before deciding whether to remove or unhide. This isn't usually too big a task but we have seen a huge number of reports in recent weeks along with many threads that have been caught by our filters. It's taking us some time to get to everything, including this thread, which we know is frustrating (it is for us too).

Please bear with us while we get to grips with this and get in touch if you've got any questions.

Criticism of Israel in any way shape or form is not anti-Semitic. There are many Jews who do not take a pro-Israel stance. However, to make the claim that all Jews speak in one voice or that Israel represents all Jews IS anti-Semitic.

@Cherryberrypie This is not about Muslims vs Jews. Educate yourself.

@Highandlows Because they don't want to help Israel with ethnic cleansing, or "transfer" - taking in Palestinians who Israel then won't allow to return home afterwards. They know what's in the pipeline - it's 1948 all over again. This is Israel's Modus aparandi.

I am increasingly worried as to where this will end up and how, even if it is not a war that affects the wider middle east, plus Europe, UK, US, it will have ramifications through power balances/alliances that will change our lives forever in near years to come.

@parakeet7 . In 1897, when Theodore Herzl set up the First Zionist Congress, it was at a great personal expense and there was not that much interest in establishing a 'Jewish homeland'. It was not until the Holocaust took place that interest in having a Jewish state suddenly ratcheted up. So, objectively speaking, Israel is a beneficiary of the Holocaust. There is an excellent book on this topic called "The Holocaust Industry" by Jewish scholar Norman Finkelstein. You should read it.

Qatar helped get two hostages, mother and child, released

So many still held, but emotional to hear her father speak

‘Hamas has released two US hostages who were abducted during the Palestinian group's deadly raid on Israel this month.

Israel confirmed they had received mother and daughter Judith and Natalie Raanan from Hamas at the Gaza boundary.’

So far the sides that already existed have stuck to their position. The ones places in the middle east that you would expect to stay neutral have. Some have given lip service about the Palestinians getting killed. However this has more to do with keeping their own percentage of Muslim population happy. Therefore stopping unrest in their country. The more peaceful states don't like Hamas or extremists and Iran any more than Israel. Hamas causes terror attacks and unrest in the middle east. This is bad for economy and tourism etc. Most of the middle eastern states have not treated Palestinian people well in the past too. Syria that is very much supporting Hamas in 2017 wiped out 4013 Palestinians in living in Syria. Men, women and children all dead. Before that there were reports about people getting tortured and raped there. So basically even one of Hamas biggest supporters doesn't actually care about the Palestinian people. Unless Iran actually fires a large missile all will calm down. In order to help calm the situation afterwards Israel has declared already they don't plan to have anything to do with Gaza one they kill Hamas. This is possibly something some Arab states have asked for in order to stay out of things as well as Israel wanting to turn its back on Gaza.

I hope you are right. Today it looks like Israel is building up large numbers of troops and earthworks on the border with Lebanon according to the BBC and The Guardian.