Pregnant people?! It's 'women'

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Two links to surveys today, from Kings College London and Cardiff University. Both surveys wanting to speak to 'pregnant people'.

It's women who get pregnant and give birth. Male members of our society are unable to conceive, grow and birth babies.

Please, please, please - why are you accepting these requests? Do you not read them first? (Especially seeing as you allow them to post their links for free).

I'm appalled that Mumsnet is now complicit in erasing the word 'woman'.

Unfortunately, the world has gone bloody bonkers. And you can't say,advertise, or do anything in case it offends the snowflakes .
WOMEN give birth and only WOMEN .
I'll probably get backlash for using the word "snowflakes" but sorry not sorry 😂

Trans men can get pregnant.

Yes, they are women. A woman is simply an adult female of the human species. There's no value judgement. You can't change your sex.

I won't complete any survey until they refer to us for what we are: Women.
It's all getting rather silly now isn't it.

Absolute madness
The world frightens me in every single way these days
Everything is broken, literally everything
Nowhere is safe for women and now we are even allowed to call ourselves women
What next?

It astounds me how many people seem to be confused about the difference between sex and gender here.

Hopefully these researchers will think harder about how most women prefer to be spoken to about female only issues before they ask for our time.

I just wish there were a trans person or several here to give their views.

Why? It's nothing to do with them how women perceive what being female involves.

Please define transphobic. This is a meaningless statement unless you define your terms. So often it seems to mean believing and saying any or all of the following, which most people would regard as so obvious as scarcely to require saying:

• Nobody can change sex
• There is no ladybrain - women's brains are just as capable as men's, and very few jobs and hobbies are only possible for men and boys
• Transwomen are not women, transmen are not men
• Biological sex is real and verifiable and matters in the real world
• Sex is observed and recorded at birth, not assigned
• Very young children don't have the knowledge of the world or the language skills to state that they are trans. It's almost certainly the case that children identified as trans are actually gender nonconforming and they should be supported in that, as gender stereotypes are damaging for both sexes. Social transition is dangerous.
• Social contagion exists and is particularly likely to affect teenage girls and other vulnerable people such as those who are neurodiverse
• Children can't give informed consent to puberty blockers, cross-hormones or mastectomy, and any course of action that puts them on track to have irreversible genital surgery at 18 or 19 is ethically unjustifiable.
• Male sex offenders don't belong in female prisons.
• Males don't belong in women's refuges or women's rape crisis services, either as volunteers, staff or clients.
• Males don't belong in women's sport.
• Sexual orientation relates to biological sex, not gender identity, so same-sex attracted people are allowed to exclude people of the opposite sex from their dating pools; males can never be lesbians, females can never be gay men.
• Sexual fetishes are usually a male thing. Males can have a fetish about almost anything. Some males have a fetish about cross-dressing and female bodily functions. This is a million miles away from having gender dysphoria as a result of trauma. Such males should not be welcomed into female only spaces, and only naive and ill-informed people think otherwise.

Yes, beats me why Parliament wasted time getting an entire Act drawn up by lawyers. It could all have been covered by just telling everybody to be nice to everyone else. Job done.

Not confused at all. A trans man is a woman, a trans woman is a man. That is reality. I don’t identify into my womanhood, it’s just a fact. I could take testosterone, cut my hair and call myself Brian but it doesn’t make me a man.

Why must the views of all the women who find it offensive be ignored to satisfy the fantasy of a teeny tiny number of transmen, who still remain women, because you can't actually change sex anyway?

Just y'know, wondering.

Quite.

Some people who would never consider themselves homophobic, racist, disablist and sexist seem to come out with some horribly transphobic things from time to time on MN

As Gasp has explained everything is transphobic. But also, have you actualpuffins stopped to wonder how all of these otherwise perfectly reasonable, non-racist, non-homophobic, non-disablist women have suddenly changed entirely and are horrible transphobic bigots? Maybe if you listen, they have a point and there are issues that need to be addressed?

If you come across transphobia on MN, do report.

Well, I guess the question is if "woman" is not socially constructed, then how does anyone know that they are one.

Because woman comes with a whole load more baggage than female. Female is a material state of being, but woman is something that is not material. Betty Boop is a woman, Lara Croft is a woman, Millie Tant is a woman, yet none of these three have a body at all.

Woman is layered on top of being female as a male constructed vision of how female people's existence should be constrained. Woman is the prison that males put female people in.

Yes 100% yes.

Woman

Mother

Betty Boop is a woman, Lara Croft is a woman, Millie Tant is a woman, yet none of these three have a body at all.

They are not women, they are fictional characters.

Is this perhaps the problem?

An inability to tell reality from fiction.

It's unbelievably sexist that women can't define themselves as women.

It's unbelievably sexist and homophobic for transwomen to declare they are lesbians.

It's unbelievably racist to compare the real struggles of racial minorities with the 'struggle' of transpeople to tell the difference between sex and gender.

It's unbelievably religiously insensitive to insist that males should share public changing facilities or bathrooms with certain minorities.

It's unbelievably sexist to seek to go gender neutral on women's health care issues, which are invisible and underfunded enough, without having to cater to this nonsense over actual healthcare provision.

It's unbelievably insensitive and traumatising to gas light patients about the sex of staff if single sex provision has been explicitly requested.

It is not patient led care. That's ideologically led care to the detriment of women.

Woman is just adult human female

I don’t want that removed from my sex class

I know I am a woman because I am an adult human female. This is not a social construct - each facet is objectively measurable. The gender stereotypes which are applied because of the immutable fact of our sex are social constructs.

Every single time ideology crosses into medicine it creates an issue.

And this tends to disproportionately affect women.

That's ultimately why I have a problem with it.

It has no place in medicine.

I want good practice that listens to patients. All patients. Above all this virtue signalling nonsense.

If you get the good practice right, then no one should be offended.

Betty Boop is a woman, Lara Croft is a woman, Millie Tant is a woman

They're not actually women, though, they're fictional characters. And if you have a life sized cardboard cut out of Peter Andre that you say is your husband and kiss every night, you're not actually married to the real Peter Andre.

Don't ask me why I picked PA, I have no idea.

These three are easily recognisable as women. People would never suggest that Betty Boop was a man or non-binary, but she clearly has a gender. People recognise and respond to the gender.

What she does not have is a sex...because she is a fictional character and therefore does not exist in the material world.

These characters have exactly the same genital configuration as He-man (just strokes on a piece of paper, no actual flesh involved),

Woman is layered on top of being female as a male constructed vision of how female people's existence should be constrained.

Nah. A woman is simply an adult female human. Like a doe is an adult female deer.

I don't believe in "woman" as a free floating gender identity.

What she does not have is a sex...because she is a fictional character and therefore does not exist in the material world.

Well, yes. You appear confused by your own talking points. No one here is saying that fictional characters are actual women.