Pregnant people?! It's 'women'

[BIWI]

Two links to surveys today, from Kings College London and Cardiff University. Both surveys wanting to speak to 'pregnant people'.

It's women who get pregnant and give birth. Male members of our society are unable to conceive, grow and birth babies.

Please, please, please - why are you accepting these requests? Do you not read them first? (Especially seeing as you allow them to post their links for free).

I'm appalled that Mumsnet is now complicit in erasing the word 'woman'.

Only a woman can get pregnant.

Every single human ever born came out of a woman. It's not complicated.

There was a good reason why @ansol wasn't asked to elucidate, and you were!

I’m in two minds about this. I personally prefer being described as a person rather than a woman, generally speaking. But I appreciate others feel very strongly the other way.

Also, it’s not only women who can become pregnant. Obviously pregnancy in humans is only possible for females. But pregnant female just sounds wrong, and of course it is possible (if undesirable) for girls to become pregnant.

Obviously women are people. But sometimes using the word 'person/people' instead of 'woman/women' totally changes the overall feel of a sentence.

For example
"Only 1/3 of the people in my house have managed a successful pregnancy" feels very different to "100% of the women in my house have managed a successful pregnancy"

Also "10% of people will have endemetriosis"

So is that 10% of women, or 10% of the entire population?

They are not women. You cannot change sex even if you have reassignment surgery. It is this sort of double-talk that is causing unnecessary confusion.

I am not confused, I'm a woman, will always be a woman no matter what and I will never have a prostate. Somebody born male will not have female genitalia, no matter what. I'm adding the obvious disclaimer about being born with both sets of genitalia as that sort of clarification is needed now.

"Only 1/3 of the people in my house have managed a successful pregnancy" feels very different to "100% of the women in my house have managed a successful pregnancy"

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Only 1/3 of the people have managed a successful pregnancy because the other 2/3 are blokes so will never be able to get pregnant.

Thanks for the clarification, BeckyMumsnet, I didn't think the team would have seen this and allowed it to stand, it was very offensive.

But without the second sentence how would you know that the other people I my house aren't women? That's the point.
"Only 1/3 of the people in my house have had a successful pregnancy" could mean that the other 2/3 are male, too young, or infertile (or didn't want children).

"Saying 100% of the women etc" makes it obvious that its not a fertility issue. It's because they are male.

Somebody born male will not have female genitalia, no matter what. I'm adding the obvious disclaimer about being born with both sets of genitalia as that sort of clarification is needed now.

Huh? Nobody is born with both sets of genitalia.

@WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps, as your comment so eloquently set out, how can YOU think the fact that you are upset about this means everyone else should be, too? I’ll never be on the side of people picking on minorities, it’s a shame you choose to be. I’m paying attention to bigots, don’t you worry.

Nobody is picking on minorities, many women are angry that people born male are exerting their male privilege and telling women[ the old fashioned XX sort] that they have to let them decide what makes a woman , and let men pretend to be women , and allow men who want to be seen as female into women's spaces ,and lots more.And then we are told that we aren't allowed to say 'no'.

@loislovesstewie but in this case, you’re up in arms about the inclusion of TRANS MEN (who are the only group outside of cisgender women who are physically capable of becoming pregnant).

Trans women are not included in ‘pregnant people’ because unless there have been huge leaps forward in the past few days, trans women cannot get pregnant. You’re adding trans women to this conversation because you’re upset that they exist - nothing to do with pregnant people. We’re not talking about trans women in bathrooms. We’re talking about pregnancy.

Thinking you can be the judge of a small fraction of the population’s right to exist - seems like clear cut ‘picking on minorities’ territory to me!

But they do exist! No one is denying that, but only women can get pregnant. There is no need to say anything more. Pregnant women covers the biology of the situation. If a person thinks they are male, then why do the most female thing possible? Why does that not cause them distress?
I see you have also joined in with the whole 'cis' nonsense, again I object to being called that. I am just a woman or female.

Trans men who get pregnant are women who despite all their insistence that they’re male are doing the one thing that only women can do - but they’ll be triggered by the use of the word “woman”?

aye right!

Hermaphrodite.

In olden days, (10 years ago), it wouldn't even need disclaiming. But, this bollocks is where we are now. (pun intended).

@loislovesstewie again, why do you care how I choose to refer to myself? I usually just call myself a woman, but since we’re
making distinctions, wanted to make it clear what I was saying.

Not only CIS (😊) women can get pregnant. TRANS MEN can get pregnant. Either you agree that trans men can get pregnant, too, or you think trans men are women and that trans men don’t exist. See?

Are you not going to address why you threw the ‘trans women in bathrooms’ thing into a conversation about pregnancy? Couldn’t resist?

@Theeyeballsinthesky have you ever experienced this yourself? Do you know any trans men? Or are you just spouting off bile because you don’t understand and aren’t willing to accept a world view and experience that isn’t your own? Must be tough to be so small minded - I would feel bad for you if it weren’t so poisonous.

Er ...

Transmen can get pregnant because they are biologically female. We have a common parlance word for that, which is 'woman'.

Clearly transmen exist, as do transwomen - I'm not really sure why you think we're denying that fact?

But what you can't deny is our biology. Born female, you remain female, no matter how you identify, present or mutilate. (And similarly, born male, you remain male, etc). So transmen are biologically female and, therefore, can become pregnant.

I don't understand how this is so hard to grasp by certain users. Come on!

@BIWI …yet trans men don’t identify as women, hence, ‘pregnant people’. Simple solution to a complicated issue. 😌

@AccidentallyWesAnderson it’s not hard to grasp. Neither is ‘pregnant people’. And yet…

If they're not identifying as a woman, why are they getting pregnant?

And your 'simple solution' is massively insulting to women, who are the vast majority of 'people' getting pregnant. So why should we have to lose the word that describes us?