To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

She got dropped by WPUK because, like you, they operate in a left wing environment of extreme insults and deliberate misinterpretation.

Being GC isn't normally portrayed as a "lefty" position on Mumsnet but ok. That's the first time that's ever happened 😅

‘hysterical’ is an interesting choice of descriptor. Did you mean to be misogynistic?

The left wing position is that left wing people aren't ever

revolting individuals
vile and hateful individuals
needs their head examining.

As you said, they can deny it.

Unlike any one on the right, they can't deny it.

The left can't generally see their own extreme bias either.

No, not anyone on the right, Pauline Hanson specifically.

But I notice you'd prefer not to condemn her so let's leave it

Many on here are left wing.

FWR is full of left wing women who are currently politically homeless.

Many women right, left and centrist don't want girls having their breasts removed. That includes KJK. She is allowed to have her opinions and you are allowed yours.

If you don't want right wing women coming to your events, then don't invite them and keep a guest list. Do your events your way. I'm sure they are just as popular.

But there is no middle ground.

Either transwomen are women, or they're not.

You can't have only some transwomen being women, under specific circumstances, or the whole pack of cards falls down.

Hence isla bryson and sturgeons downfall

I'm left-wing. That's why I'm angry about the forced teaming with people with whom I share precisely zero other political opinions, and who I know hate and despise me. I'm under no illusions about right-wingers!

@OneTC is having us on surely. They have never noticed the left wing bent of fwr? So they've never read a thread then.

I meant when holding the position I do it's more common for random people on the internet to call you a Nazi rather than a Lefty

Oh dear lord. It’s not about bloody politics. Left or right. Who gives a shite ?

Women. It’s about women.

Given that at any one time there's probably numerous threads on FWR with posters having to explain they are in fact members of the Labour party to people calling us right wing Nazi bigots I'm going to guess they don't frequent the board that much these days

I don't think anyone has posted Isla Bryson images yet have they!

This man was sent to a women's prison until the uproar when the public found out caused Nicola Sturgeon to declare we have three sexes male, female and rapist. And Adam was sent to the male estate where he actually belonged rather sharpish.

Condemn! All the Posie haters want people to condemn. Every time!

It's a lefty ritual you have to go through to avoid insults, a pious condemnation. You will still be insulted anyway 😁

I've no idea who she is. And yet you have decided to infer that I prefer not to condemn! I'm guilty for only talking about gratuitous insults and not condemning. I'm condemned.

Are they the rules?

And whilst I'm sorting images. This one has Scottish members of parliament standing smiling in front of the decapitate Terfs sign

I'm rather bored of all the women hate which is definitely a lot more frequent than the trans hate.

I'm sure there are people who truly do hate trans people, but all the women I know just want men out of women's spaces, sports, prisons etc. And would like to hold onto the words we have always used to describe ourselves and our bodies.

That's not hate. If a man wants to 'live as a woman' whatever that means, that's fine but he's still a man and I will expect him to use men's spaces, enter mens sports and be sent to men's prisons.

His clothing, hair and make up choices, his choice of new name or the pronouns he wants to be known as or his mental health issues are not my problem to solve. And I don't see why I should have to accommodate men and change/police my speech just because of how they feel. No!

Yes it's all so boring, do get over it and get back to being kind now won't you

I'm getting bored of being told I'm a hater and shamed/ criticised/denigrated for standing up for women's rights.

I'm getting bored of how our institutions are so captured that anyone who doesn't agree TWAW is a villain.

I'm sure it won't be boring for social historians of the future though. They will study this period of history and ask what the fuck happened

Did we get a definition of ‘buddying up’ or ‘far right’?

gosh… what a surprise.

So a woman who holds open mic events in public where any female who wants to speak can, and does, is condemned for her ‘associations’. Where associations means ‘some politician she has never met or spoken to, in a country that she doesn’t live in, gets up and speaks.’

But the condemners also take only a bad faith interpretation to one short sentence that they choose to present as the entire subject of two whole paragraphs.

And these condemners a
want us to believe they agree with other things that the woman agrees with, but that WPUK were also right to denounce the woman….. sounds like those Actual Feminists have been getting around on this board spreading their particular brand of logic and political purity again. I haven’t checked their fb page lately have they run out of steam denouncing there or what?

I don't think there's a monopoly on hating and despising others on either side of the political spectrum
The left are sneakier though and do it in the name of self righteous wokeness.

On another note; I have always wanted to know why some are so keen to agree that TWAW. Please could someone explain why they think biology doesn't matter, and having a feeling does?

When was it considered a mature adult approach to decisions and life to not listen or read people’s opinions that you find deplorable when they have something to say about a topic you are interested in and that person agrees with your view either partly or fully?

When was it considered a mature response to say ‘I won’t even listen to that person say something I might agree with partly or wholly’ because of their other opinions and I want to keep myself pure? It comes across as ridiculously narrow minded.

What feminist benefits from not listening widely and reading widely of as many different aspects of this topic as possible from original sources? To me it comes across as just another person who limits their information intake to that regurgitated from other people’s opinions and not having the depth of knowledge to form their own. It most certainly doesn’t benefit feminism to not go and read or watch what other people, particularly an elected politician who is fucking there voting on bills and laws for a nation !!

The Posie Parker Milkshake Club come here, where they know she cannot repond, rather than go to Twitter, or You Tube - where they even have an option of calling her up on TERF TALK Tuesdays and asking her directly.

Yes indeed breast milk. Bloody human milk for gods sake. This medically induced milk that men can produce in small amounts hasn't even been tested on babies. Having a baby means there needs are meant to come first?! Would be funny if it wasn't so frightening .

Prioritising a baby's health and welfare over a man's self image is evil bigotry, you monster.

Just for other’s who didn’t listen to Pauline Hanson yet want to disparage Kellie Jay Keen for allowing Hanson to speak: I haven’t got time to do a transcript but here is what she covered before she tried to convince the women present that One Nation was the party they should vote for (which was an inappropriate use of the platform).

She mentioned

-her speech in Australian parliament about banning the use of puberty blockers. (By the way, has anyone else in the Senate done this? Claire Chandler speaks a lot on these topics, but I don’t know if others do. )

-she spoke of protecting women in sport.

-she spoke about protecting the words that women use to describe themselves such as ‘mother’.

-she spoke that adults should be able to live in the gender they want, but to not force others or laws to change to accept that gender above sex.

-she then had a go at other politicians for not also standing up and discussing the issue for fear of public reaction (this was in the lead up to the Australian Federal Election so that was a very pertinent point)

Then she descended into her campaign speech.

For a large part of what she said the topics she talked about and the sentiments expressed were similar to that of leftist feminist journalists in the UK. Because …. those views are commonly held by the majority of people in Western society and expressed across most of the range of political spectrums.

Would anyone like to disagree with the substance of what Hanson said about the issues rather than just personally attacking her to discredit her viewpoint on this topic and to attempt to make a political alignment that doesn’t exist.

https://www.youtube.com/live/-jdc2XfJLns?feature=share

23 minutes in.

Feel free.

But the ‘guilt by association’ crap is just showing up people’s own overly simplistic views of the world.