Quite a few aggressive vaccine denying threads lately...

[mathanxiety]

Is there some sort of concerted campaign afoot? I've noticed a few threads recently, all along the same lines. Very dog whistley...

Science is a method not a religion and part of that method is looking at evidence and different interpretations of that evidence, all of which you want to censor

Nope, somehow you've got that completely twisted. Because scientists who have made immunology their life work are in a position to understand how diseases work and how to test vaccines. People like those I described show that they are ignorant of the facts and don't understand what they're talking about. Repeatedly.

Then they come up with horseshit like 'You can only get covid if you believe it exists'

People saying the hospitals were empty were lying. There are many NHS staff still traumatised by the fall out of so many people dying. It's not a stretch to imagine that this was possible. It was a result of a large number of people being infected with a disease at the same time, with no existing herd immunity to it.

The hospital records show they were full of Covid patients. Wards were redesigned as Covid wards and routine surgery cancelled. DH worked in one of these wards and the daughter of a friend completed her last year of training as a nurse on these wards having to call family members to tell them their father/mother etc were dying.

“He who knows not,
and knows not that he knows not,
is a fool; shun him."

I don't believe the vaccines are the reason for the lowered death rate. It was the mutation from the alpha to the delta variant which occurred naturally and was not so deadly. It just happened to have happened at the same time so made it look like the vaccines were helping.

Do you have the medical and scientific evidence for this?

Obviously not as the drug companies wouldn't want it to be common knowledge would they? Share prices would plummet!

@Parker231 just to play devils advocate here, do you have evidence proving it’s definitely the vaccines that have caused the reduction?
I am by no means an anti-vaxer, I even work in the industry but I’m not completely sure about how the pandemic was handled or the vaccines.
I don’t think it’s so cut and dry as some are making out, it’s good practice to have questions and concerns and want to review the situation.

Why do silly, ill-informed people believe they know more than epidemiologists?

Anti vaxxers … they prob know how to fly a plane too and will quite happily show the pilot no doubt 🤣questioning everything in life is healthy .. many countries are extremely grateful for it .. Ghana for example ..
the Covid vaccine is constantly being worked on even before Covid 19 .. they just pulled and tweaked it to make the vaccine for 19 ….

Quite.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-anti-vax-vaccine-lawyer-dies-leslie-lawrenson-b949378.html

This guy was 'pro immune system' as well. I can't believe the arrogance of people who don't understand that Covid is one of those things that was / is impossible to predict who will be vulnerable. I haven't had Covid yet but I assume that's down to the fact I don't socialise very much, not because I have a superior immune system ffs.

The "my vaccine right or wrong" people on this thread are only interested in discussing the really way-out conspiracy theories and not about the need to have an honest conversation about these things.

It is no secret that even the most tested vaccines will cause adverse effects in some people and the covid vaccines were rushed out. I got vaccinated in full knowledge that I was at risk from the vaccine but I was more at risk from covid because of my age. But I would never vaccinate a healthy child against covid as fortunately enough covid does not put them in danger.

It's simply not true that the vaccines were 'rushed out'. That is misinformation. The vaccines were put through all of the usual trials but in a shorter space of time.

The vaccines were put through all of the usual trials but in a shorter space of time.

Lol, so, rushed then?

How is that rushed? Rushed suggests that the trials were not done correctly. Where is your evidence that they weren't?

My immune system is working as it should and hasn’t been destroyed. Can’t remember the last time I had illnesses like coughs and colds. The vaccine simply trained my immune system how to react against a virus which could have made me ill.

How is that rushed? Rushed suggests that the trials were not done correctly. Where is your evidence that they weren't?

The trials are still happening, technically. They were rushed to market, that's a fact. what could possibly go wrong?

Rushed doesn’t mean anything is wrong. It was a pandemic but the vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.

Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.

Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.

Never in the history of big pharma have they ever pushed a drug that they have known to cause harm, right? And the FDA never approved these know to cause harm drugs? Spoiler alert: they did.

Sorry for the US centric terminology but that's where I live. And for the record, I'm pro vaccine. My child has had all the recommend ones, and actually more than the average due to living in different countries. I had never even considered not getting them. This one, no thanks. It's not a political thing for me, just my choice

My child has had all the recommend ones, and actually more than the average due to living in different countries. I had never even considered not getting them. This one, no thanks. It's not a political thing for me, just my choice

This kind of thing proves Mathanxiety's point that all of the hesitancy about the covid vaccine comes from QAnon etc.

Globally as at 12 April 2023, there have been 762,791,152confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 6,897,025 deaths. As of 11 April 2023, a total of 13,340,275,493 vaccine doses have been administered.

Official statistics - over 13 billion vaccines given - its safe. I dread to think about what would have happened if the vaccine programme hadn’t been implemented so quickly. The numbers of deaths would have been unimaginable.

I'm not qanon though? Like at all. But yeah I'm totally gonna run out to get vaccinated now because you said that. Thanks, lol.