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Web Chat Suggestion - QC on Rights When Approaching or Being Approached by Police

119 replies

MelodyPondsMum · 04/10/2022 13:36

I'm not sure if this is the right place and you've been tagged in the thread where I originally suggested it but thought I'd put it here too. My original post is in italics and bold.

I wonder if we could get MNHQ to do a webchat with a QC about women's rights concerning arrests/cautions/vexatious complaints, etc - basically any interactions with the police.

The QC could provide a detailed checklist on what to do when faced with a police officer at the door; an officer determined to gain entry; an officer casually referencing sectioning, etc because threads on here show that some posters seem to think random Googles are the same as understanding the law and their rights. It isn't.

Also, is it possible to have a group litigation order against the police? Women need to mobilise collectively around these particular issues with the police.

Women are regularly dismissed when the try to report VAWG, stalking and harassment. The End Violence Against Women Campaign has called for action regarding the wider culture in the police that fails women and enables perpetrators. Women are often dismissed and sent away.

Women are also being disproportionately targeted under Hate Incidents legislation.

Yy there are general rights that all people have when approached by the police or approaching the police. But there are also issues peculiar to women eg

  • women are more likely to be care givers so there are issues around childcare (and police threatening mothers with SS involvement to 'watch' their DCs whilst they are at the station);
  • there are issues around the weaponising of MH issues and vulnerabilities (threatening with sectioning but not providing appropriate medical supervision or assessment)
  • there are issues around searching (both of houses and persons)- taking into account sex, periods, religious beliefs, etc
  • there are issues around how to act if you believe the original complaint has been made maliciously
  • there are issues around how to get a complaint regarding VAWG taken seriously

I think it would be very beneficial for MNHQ to provide a reliable source of information to ensure women are aware of their rights. I also think a webchat would raise the profile of the issues that women face and how disproportionately the laws are currently applied depending on your sex.

Yy there is lots of information in different places on the web but it would be good to have the information in one place, and for up-to-date advice in light of the changing legal landscape. TIA

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Baldieheid · 04/10/2022 14:00

Yes please, this is a great idea.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 04/10/2022 14:58

Just adding a resounding ‘yes, please!’ to this.

This is stuff everyone should know but very few actually do.

littlbrowndog · 04/10/2022 14:58

Yes please

chilling19 · 04/10/2022 15:01

Yes this would be very welcome

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/10/2022 15:05

I also think this is an excellent idea. We need to know our actual rights when the police are weaponised against us, and also what right we have to expect police help.

Emotionalsupportviper · 04/10/2022 15:09

This would be very useful indeed.

Please do it. So few of us know what our rights are, and particularly now, when so many organisations (including the police it seems) have a tendency to apply the law as they would like it to be rather than the law as it actually is.

HellonHeels · 04/10/2022 15:10

Great idea, yes pleaae

BitossiBlues · 04/10/2022 15:10

Adding my support for this great idea by the OP. The police overreach that is going on at the moment is terrifying.

AlisonDonut · 04/10/2022 15:11

It is KC now but I agree, this would be very useful.

Igmum · 04/10/2022 15:15

Yes please MNHQ. I'm a middle aged professional who would not dream of breaking the law but even I think this would be incredibly useful - particularly if it was with a special slant on after expressing contentious ideas like the one that women have rights. Women who tweet this under their own names have the Police at the door - let's hear from a barrister about what we could do. I'm sure some of the lovely FWR women could suggest possible speakers. I'd certainly listen in

noblegiraffe · 04/10/2022 15:18

Yes, remember the suggestion that Sarah Everard should have known not to get in that car?

Not that we should have to know because we should be able to trust the police, but unfortunately they haven’t earned that trust lately.

MelodyPondsMum · 04/10/2022 15:18

Oops - I forgot it had changed to KC. Thanks @AlisonDonut

Also, @MNHQ it would be beneficial if the advice could cover UK law and also any country specific differences ie Scotland; N. Ireland; Wales; England.

Hate incidents and malicious communications law are being stretched to what seems breaking point across the entire UK so all MNers, no matter where they are based, need to know the relevant advice for their country. As well as how the law applies if they are subject to it whilst in another part of the UK eg for a meeting or event or demonstration.

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DorotheaDiamond · 04/10/2022 15:20

Brilliant idea!!!

ThreeB · 04/10/2022 15:21

Another vote in favour please

FlibbertyGiblets · 04/10/2022 15:25

What a good idea, yes please. I too would have got in that cop car.

LilyMumsnet · 04/10/2022 15:29

Hi OP

Thanks so much for the brilliant suggestion.
We'll pass it on and have a chat about this Flowers

Tallisker · 04/10/2022 15:38

Was just about to say KC Smile

beastlyslumber · 04/10/2022 15:45

Brilliant idea. I have no idea what I'd do, or what my rights would be, in that circumstance. Would be great to know!

MelodyPondsMum · 04/10/2022 15:49

LilyMumsnet · 04/10/2022 15:29

Hi OP

Thanks so much for the brilliant suggestion.
We'll pass it on and have a chat about this Flowers

Thank you! Can you post here as well as on the webchat thread to let us all know the details when it's scheduled? It just means everyone who has posted here will know when it's going to happen. Flowers

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OrangePumpkinLobelia · 04/10/2022 17:45

Yes please! Great idea. :)

AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 04/10/2022 20:21

Resounding YES please from me; my
childhood trust in the police - as an institution - has been shattered by Sarah Everard's murder; by the idea that 'child prostitution' could be the choice of girls who were being abused by men; by Sussex police's treatment of a young woman - Shana Grice - who complained about her abusive boyfriend - she was fined for wasting police time - 5 months later he killed her.

Pixiedust1234 · 04/10/2022 20:30

Adding my voice as well. I used to trust the police but these last two years have changed my mindset. They aren't policing how they used to.

TheBiologyStupid · 04/10/2022 23:39

DifficultBloodyWoman · 04/10/2022 14:58

Just adding a resounding ‘yes, please!’ to this.

This is stuff everyone should know but very few actually do.

Absolutely!

TheBiologyStupid · 04/10/2022 23:40

AllMumsyWereTheBorrowedClothes · 04/10/2022 20:21

Resounding YES please from me; my
childhood trust in the police - as an institution - has been shattered by Sarah Everard's murder; by the idea that 'child prostitution' could be the choice of girls who were being abused by men; by Sussex police's treatment of a young woman - Shana Grice - who complained about her abusive boyfriend - she was fined for wasting police time - 5 months later he killed her.

Just laughed out loud at your user name - totally genius!

BacktoSlack · 05/10/2022 00:00

Adding my voice to the list of women pleading for this resource for us. It feels essential. Please use your power to help MNHQ