Why was my thread removed?

[MrsBunTheBakersMum]

I posted to see if anyone had the same religious beliefs as I did and within hours my post was deleted.
am I right in thinking now that mumsnet is happy for you to discuss your beliefs but only if they align with their own?
if you’re allowing discussions on religion then you should be open to discussions on all beliefs.
my religion is recognised as a belief system in the us and has all the same legal rights as any other.

these are the tenets I live by.
There are Seven
FUNDAMENTAL TENETS
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

does that sound offensive and scary to you to be deleted?

People post about other religions on here all the time and the threads don't get removed. bit of andouble standard

I also don’t think it should have been removed. It was posted in the right section and wasn’t goady at all - just horrible mumsnet posters as usual.

I’m Roman Catholic.

I've found this discussion of the Satanic Temple v the Church of Satan very reminiscent of the Judean People's Front.
Satanic Temple? Splitters!

As soon as I saw the tenets I knew😁. I have loads of friends who are satanists and they are all awesome people. The most charitable minded too and in America the Church of Satan is active against the awful womens laws.

I'm glad it wasn't just me thinking that 😂

Hi OP.

I was interested in Satanism until they started posting about holding Trans seminars to educate people.

I asked how 'believing' you are a woman corresponds with the tenet about science being more important than beliefs. I was polite and genuinely curious because obviously being trans is a belief not a scientific fact.

I was kicked out of the group.

When asked why I was removed, when another tenet is 'the freedom to offend'

I was basically told you're allowed to offend everyone except trans people and blocked 🙄

So I don't support the UK faction even though I'm PRINCIPLE I find the tenets wonderful and I appreciate what Lucian Greaves and the USA faction are doing for women.

I’m another who finds it odd that MNHQ have deleted the thread.

I don’t read threads about religions as I believe there is a cultish element to every organised religion but I can’t see how MN can make a determination as to which are worthy of space on the board or otherwise.

Ultimately, it’s a private business and so MN can ban chat about satanism, scented candles, or the breeding habits of Komodo Dragons if they wish, but I think it was a bizarre decision given that there’s generally a high tolerance here for a lot of topics.

Oh so that’s alright then. What are their / your views on Islam? Or Hinduism? Or Sikhism. Any opposition to them ( or might that entail some pushback of a less pleasant nature)?

I'm really surprised by that justification for a thread deletion.
I thought it was a perfectly justifiable reason for deleting a thread- the tone of a thread is everything. Some of the nicest seeming threads ever have been deleted because people have come on and been bullies, derogatory etc. Btw I’m loving the way op got her thread anyway but also got to have people saying mn is being unfair too.

From what I understand the Satanic Tempe are mainly based in America where Christianty is the dominant religion and are opposed to Christan influence on laws there e.g. the tightening on abortion restrictions and opposition to gay marriage.

I'm with the OP. There's an important cultural context in its country of origin that explains why this social/political group was formulated as a religion and given an eye-catching name. Some of that cultural context has similarities and parallels in this country, which explains why it can appeal to people here too.

I've read the cached version of the original thread and there's nothing unduly provocative there, and it could help people get a better understanding of how religion and social power intertwine such that even in a supposedly secular society, it can be helpful for the non-religious to organise as though they were a religious body for the sake of rebalancing power and advancing fairness.

I found this thread has been very educational so far. I'm really interested in doing some more research when I've got the time. Religions represent a fascinating aspect of humanity. And it's always interesting to see why some people choose to believe something but not others.

Ah well. I was up for discussing the tenets with OP but they didn't reply.

I too wonder why they call themselves Satanists if they have no belief in Satan. Bit odd.

If you had been born with an extra arm stuck out of your chest you would have it removed because it doesn’t feel like it’s your body and so you’d have surgery to correct it.
trans women are women and always have been but finally they are able to have surgery, medications etc to align their body with how they were supposed to be born.
its not a belief or choice, I didn’t choose to be bisexual i don’t “believe” I’m bisexual I just am.
that’s probably why you were asked to leave because one of the benefits of satanism being so open and accepting means trans and gay people are more common

i really think MNHQ and their replies on this thread are actually really rude.

I'm a witch, but the attitude towards unusual faiths on here can be very 'off' and do not pass the vibe check.

I find that when having freedom of thought and belief and putting it down on the page you are subject to the biases and prejudices of that platform. Social media companies ban posts and posters because of (imo) ridiculous reasons, and I assume Mumsnet can be of the same ilk sometimes. There are guidelines to what can be discussed as per usual here but the interpretation of those guidelines can be wide.

I'm an atheist. I've read a little about the Church of Satan. I think to allow OP to explain her religion (and it is one, any "belief system" is) would have been informative and interesting to other posters. Just because it's not mainstream, doesn't make it any less valid.

I actually find that deletion message really quite offensive.

The thread should have been allowed to stand and moderated by Mumsnet to ensure that it wasn't trolled.

Whilst not formally a satanist I find nothing in the tenets that a rational person could disagree with and yes TST is doing a lot of good for impoverished and disadvantaged individuals in the US as well as fighting back against the creeping power of the seriously disturbing Christain fundamentalists and their attacks on women and women's bodily autonomy.

Please reinstate the thread

What's the Satanist definition of a woman?

Tenet 3
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone

you say you’re a woman? Congratulations you’re a woman.

Satanists don’t “define” who can be whatever.. z that’s a Christian thing.

That's a science thing not a Christian thing.

No, that’s biology.

Ask yourself if Satan would be a good name for a baby and then go figure

What’s that got to go with anything

I would call my baby God either.