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JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 18:49

@MNHQ this deletion message is untrue and not fair to the OP of the thread.

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JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 19:51

Oh because you were so respectful to me @FleurDeLizz

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PaddleBoardingMomma · 25/05/2022 19:53

@FleurDeLizz

You can pee next to me but don't put on a swimming costume and try to beat me in a race! I mean, at least get it straight in your own head what you're saying before you spout that everyone else is a transphobic racist

MrsDrake · 25/05/2022 19:53

FleurDeLizz · 25/05/2022 19:50

There’s that lack of respect I’m talking about.

‘She said it was a mass mail you plum. That means more than one person found the thread objectionable. You know once you step out from under the FWR rock, a lot of people on MN will take issue with what you say’

Pot. kettle. @FleurDeLizz

FleurDeLizz · 25/05/2022 20:00

PaddleBoardingMomma · 25/05/2022 19:53

@FleurDeLizz

You can pee next to me but don't put on a swimming costume and try to beat me in a race! I mean, at least get it straight in your own head what you're saying before you spout that everyone else is a transphobic racist

Those are nothing like the same thing. So yes I’m ok with a transwoman wants to use a female toilet if it makes her feel safer but not to race against female bodied athletes where a male body and male puberty gives advantages unattainable to females.

I didn’t say anyone was racist so stop frothing and get your facts right.

im not sorry if calling someone a plum when they’re being a plum hurts their feelings. You can dish it but not take it eh?

MrsDrake · 25/05/2022 20:03

You can dish it but not take it eh?

The only one complaining about ‘respect’ was you @FleurDeLizz. So, you can dish it, but not take it?

You are very invested for someone who didn’t even read the thread.

JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 20:05

I didn't "dish" anything to you @FleurDeLizz so stop trying to justify your nastiness. You launched a personal attack on me when I replied to another poster. You're not very good at getting your facts straight are you?

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Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 20:06

This is where TWAW gets you.

So a trans identified man is a woman, but only when you say so.

If you believe it, you can't only take a bite. You gotta eat the whole thing.

JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 20:06

In fact I could report you for that remark if I do wished.

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PaddleBoardingMomma · 25/05/2022 20:12

Ameanstreakamilewide · 25/05/2022 20:06

This is where TWAW gets you.

So a trans identified man is a woman, but only when you say so.

If you believe it, you can't only take a bite. You gotta eat the whole thing.

Precisely!

Ok @FleurDeLizz indulge me? If a trans woman feels safer in the womens toilet and you are ok with that, why aren't you ok with that same trans woman being in a female prison so they feel safer? You have a lot of very loud opinions for someone who really hasn't thought it through.

Make it make sense ;)

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 20:12

Please reinstate the thread

EarringsandLipstick · 25/05/2022 20:15

ProclivityForPyrotechnics · 25/05/2022 20:12

Please reinstate the thread

They won't.

They will also delete this for being (they will say) a TAAT and also 'not in the spirit' re current comments being made.

MN is becoming a really depressing place, unfortunately, thanks to poor decision making by MNHQ in large part.

JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 20:17

But I started this thread as a site issue in regard to reasons for deletion so it can't be considered a TAAT in that sense. I want to know the justification for that deletion message and why they then deleted that message.

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SoupDragon · 25/05/2022 20:25

not fair to the OP of the thread.

why is it not fair? The physical poster didn't mention sex or gender at all. The OP did that by saying that the "pregnant man" "bothered" her. That's pretty uncivil given nothing on the poster said man/woman

EarringsandLipstick · 25/05/2022 20:30

Ah Soup

It was a photo of a 'pregnant man'. That's what the poster showed. And OP said it bothered her.

I can see why.

That is correct usage of language to describe what is there.

EarringsandLipstick · 25/05/2022 20:31

JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 20:17

But I started this thread as a site issue in regard to reasons for deletion so it can't be considered a TAAT in that sense. I want to know the justification for that deletion message and why they then deleted that message.

I don't disagree. I suspect MN will say that essentially the discussion points from the original thread are being revived here.

Hence they'll argue TAAT

TheLadyofShalott1 · 25/05/2022 20:38

NHS - Phobias:

"..... phobias are more pronounced than fears. They develop when a person has an exaggerated or unrealistic sense of danger about a situation or object...."

I don't think that many, or even any of us on MN, have an exaggerated or unrealistic sense of danger when confronted by a transgender person, either in real life, or by seeing a picture of them. So very few of us will be truly "transphobic".

However, if I was in a ladies toilet or changing room when there was no-one else there apart from an obvious transgender woman and me, I admit that I could feel some concern, even fear, depending on their demeanor or size, but as quoted above, fear on it's own dies not count as a phobia. If I did feel any fear I don't think I should be vilified over it, as it is a fact that some men have pretended to be a transgender female for the sole reason of assaulting women.

I would never fear a photo of a transgender female, but I did find the one of the pregnant one distasteful, because of what it represents. I believe that only women can, and only women should, be able to grow a baby in their womb. If that changes, then so does what makes a woman a woman.

Surely I am entitled to feel like that, and whether it is 'fair' of me or not, to feel like that, it is how I do feel, and not many of us would find it easy to change our instinctual or gut feelings, and in this particular case, I don't want to.

I wonder if my post will be deleted? It shouldn't be, as I have said nothing that could be considered to be against the Mumsnet site's rules.

CurlyCew · 25/05/2022 20:52

If only TRA were as kind and accepting of other's instinctive reaction to a picture of a pregnant man, as much as they expect GC people to be towards Trans people.

JellySaurus · 25/05/2022 21:04

Those are nothing like the same thing. So yes I’m ok with a transwoman wants to use a female toilet if it makes her feel safer but not to race against female bodied athletes where a male body and male puberty gives advantages unattainable to females.

That makes absolutely no sense. It is those same advantages given to TW by having male body and male puberty that makes women feel unsafe, uneasy, uncomfortable when TW use women's toilets.

JellySaurus · 25/05/2022 21:05

If TWAW, then what is transphobic about a person describing a transman as a man?

Johnnysgirl · 25/05/2022 21:11

So yes I’m ok with a transwoman wants to use a female toilet if it makes her feel safer

The vast majority of women would feel less safe if a male bodied person was allowed in the women's toilets, and it would leave some women actually unable to use this female space at all.

Doesn't this mean anything to you? Really?

ilovemyspace · 25/05/2022 23:44

The fact that MNHQ haven't yet explained their decision to delete the thread speaks volumes!!!

BoreOfWhabylon · 25/05/2022 23:54

There's no point in all the @MNHQ tags - they don't go anywhere unless it's a specific person.

Best to report the OP and say you want to bring the thread to MNHQ's attention for a response.

JaneJeffer · 25/05/2022 23:57

I have previously been assured by @MNHQ that they read every thread in Site Stuff and they dealt with one I posted yesterday very quickly without my addressing anyone in particular.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 26/05/2022 00:01

Yes, but @MNHQ doesn't actually send a message to anyone. The quickest way to get a response is to do what I suggested.

watcherintherye · 26/05/2022 00:04

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