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Autism and MNHQ moderation

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HypocrisyHere · 04/01/2022 10:24

I am starting this thread as suggested by @HebeMumsnet following the other thread I started last week

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4439585-MN-and-their-approach-to-autism?pg=1

The point was the lack of consistency in moderation (the screenshots contained two threads in my watchlist - one deleted due to its title, the other - the “support” thread - allowed to stand despite what many to believe to be a far, far more offensive title).

From the linked above thread you will see many autistic people who feel that MNHQ allow many posts which are based on outdated, inaccurate and harmful stereotypes of autistic people. Further, on the support thread, the majority of posters have self-diagnosed Their partners and many of us view this as extremely offensive as again, this self diagnosis is based on these outdated stereotypes (please note an individual self-diagnosing themselves is a totally different issue and though an important discussion, not one I intended to raise on my original thread). I have summarised my thoughts on that thread in my post I made on 31/12/21 at 12:09.

I also made it clear from my opening post that I think parents of autistic children also need a space to seek support (hence me questioning why first thread was deleted). I know that many parents need this. But you will also see that many of these parents often accuse autistic adults without learning difficulties of trying to advocate for their children. I can state that in my case this is absolutely untrue and I did not see any others in the thread doing so. But I want to be clear that I absolutely support the need for this but it is not fair for these parents to refer to our autism as “mild” which they frequently do. This is a very outdated term which many of us find very offensive as it is based in a neurotypical person’s view of us and not on our actual “lived experience”. Spending the majority of your school years as an outcast and a person who can be mocked is not a mild experience for a child.

On the linked thread you will also see that we have been subjected to a whole load of ableist comments - that there’s something wrong with is, that we need to realise how negatively we impact people, that we are selfish for wanting to centre the discussion on us etc. this highlights the deep misunderstanding, ignorance and downright prejudice many people have towards us.

I think many of us would welcome a productive dialogue with MNHQ where we could address these issues as well as discussing the harm threads about autistic people cause (which includes the support thread). Many of us have acknowledged that we understand our behaviours may seem “difficult” but for us many, many neurotypical behaviours, which we need to accommodate every day, are difficult for us. This is a two-way street and we won’t make progress until BOTH “sides” respect each other.

One final clarification. I am in no way attempting to speak for all autistic people here. I started the thread sharing my own opinion and many people supported me (when I last looked 65% supported me). What I have written here are my own feelings on the subject.

Thank you for asking me to post here and I very much hope we can make progress on this issue and that MN (and society in general) can become a place where autism is understood and accepted.

YetAnotherBeckyMumsnet · 04/01/2022 16:19

Thanks for your thoughts - we're going to continue discussing the points raised on this thread and the previous one.

We do understand how hurtful some comments can be - as already referenced; anything that generalises or assumes any xyz negative trait is due to Aspergers or Autism will likely break our GLs and will be removed if reported to us. We want to be a place where women can seek support from other women about their relationships - in many cases, they’ve no one else to talk to & are at breaking point. Removing that support is potentially very damaging and cruel.And so this is why we introduced some guidance specifically for these threads - posters can talk about their own personal lived experiences, but are asked not to generalise. We also understand the frustration of an ‘armchair diagnosis’ but also appreciate the difficulties around obtaining a diagnosis in the first place.

We’re not claiming to be experts here and nor do we get it right every time - but we strive to be fair and balanced and it’s certainly never our intention to cause upset. As always, your feedback is welcome.

LivMumsnet · 04/01/2022 22:36

Evening everyone.

We're getting a lot of reports about this thread so we're temporarily suspending it whilst we go through them all.

Thanks for your patience with this - we'll hope to have it up and running again soon.

LilyMumsnet · 06/01/2022 12:08

Hi all

We're going to re-open this thread now.

Please be mindful that derailing with screenshots of other threads will be deleted. Can we try to keep this discussion on track?

We are monitoring suggestions and discussing it behind the scenes, As always, we appreciate and consider all feedback.

LilyMumsnet · 06/01/2022 12:33

[quote Innocenta]@LilyMumsnet I have not posted any screenshots myself, but could you please clarify how providing proof of what, specifically, someone has said in a directly relevant related thread constitutes derailing? Given that all sides feel their words are being misrepresented... [/quote]
Hello,

When a thread becomes about multiple threads, and people search up others posting histories, it quickly becomes misrepresented when taken out of context. It's also unlikely to stay on track. We don't allow this anywhere else on site, and so site stuff is no different in that respect.

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