Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

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The belief that transwomen are men and that transmen are women has been accepted as a legitimate and protected belief, yet we are not able to state this on Mumsnet under the current rules.

It has become increasingly difficult to discuss feminist issues on the dedicated feminism boards as a result of the moderation rules.

In light of Maya's success in court, and that 'gender critical' beliefs are considered protected under the Equality Act, would it be possible for the FWR sex/gender mod rules to be re-visited please?

They may have zero effect on you but (not just those two but some of their buddies) they do get together behind the scenes to organise trolling and mass reporting of MN users, some are politically well connected, they make hit lists of peope they want to report, they engage with MN twitter account , they arrange mass complaints to advertisers and some are lawyers who send lots of emails.

Mumsnet should learn from us how to ignore them, rather than do their bidding. Being controlled by external forces who are acting in bad faith is proper embarrassing.

@WanderinWomb

They may have zero effect on you but (not just those two but some of their buddies) they do get together behind the scenes to organise trolling and mass reporting of MN users, some are politically well connected, they make hit lists of peope they want to report, they engage with MN twitter account , they arrange mass complaints to advertisers and some are lawyers who send lots of emails.

Mumsnet should learn from us how to ignore them, rather than do their bidding. Being controlled by external forces who are acting in bad faith is proper embarrassing.

Indeed. And I don't disagree with any of that.

Thanks Simone for leaving a trail so we can find where MN are talking about this.

All rather hidden away isn't it?

Well @JustineMumsnet seems to be answering (finally) here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4276803-so-mumsnet-ignored-our-request-to-have-something-to-do-with-feminism-or-women-in-the-name-of-the-naughty-step-subtopic?pg=4

Again it’s not ideal but at least someone from MNHQ is actually talking now.

I'm getting an Oops page when I click on that link.

Try this;
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4276803-so-mumsnet-ignored-our-request-to-have-something-to-do-with-feminism-or-women-in-the-name-of-the-naughty-step-subtopic

👍Thanks @TheInebriati

The women who've been posting on FWR for years, and all the newcomers and lurkers who've engaged on or off thread with the discussions and ideas, have been told we are worthless to MN, we don't matter over some anonymous complainers. Our concerns for women's rights and the safeguarding of women and children don't matter, we have been relegated and swept aside. We don't even warrant the words feminism or woman in the title our new board.

I really hope that the libfems/inclusivefems/thirdwavefems have a ball on their new swept clean board. Except now they've got what they wanted I bet they don't use it.

As the belief in a gender critical view is ruled protected by law in the last few weeks, MNHQ have quickly shunted it off to a separate topic. Are all other protected views going to be similarly treated? Are they going to be moved from where they are posted to ghettos?

Shall we move all talk which mention Muslims to the religious section, then section it off to a Muslim section? Some people of other religions may not want to see discussions of issues faced by Muslims.

Shall we move all talk mentioning wheelchair access to the disabilities section - oops no, better go to a separate wheelchair section, as some people are only interested in upper body disabilities.

Within a week of a court ruling that a gender critical stance is perfectly legal and protected view, MNHQ decide to section it off to “protect” those whose view is different or those who are not interested in this topic.

Well done MNHQ, you’ve completely disregarded the protected views of 80% of the Feminist site, to placate the 1% who froth at women having views they don’t control or agree with. You’ve done so against the wishes of the majority, to placate the 1% who want to control where women can discuss their issues. You’ve decided to ignore the wishes of the majority of those who use your site (who expressed a wish) and placate the wishes of the vocal minority.

Today's renaming of the new sections is a very slight improvement on yesterday.

My observation since the split is that it has increased the number of feminism threads appearing in Active so I don't think it has achieved the aims of those who asked for it.

My observation is a lot of arguments over what feminism is, accusations of racism, white women tears, territorial sniping & just a bit of a shit show so far.

I wasn't clear what the purpose of splitting the board was, and I don't think we'll ever get the true answer on that, but I'm not convinced this is an improvement on whatever the issue was that prompted the changes.

Accusations of racism?!

Accusations of racism?!
Yeah, I thought that - definitely haven't seen any of that on the new feminism board?!

My observation is a lot of arguments over what feminism is, accusations of racism, white women tears, territorial sniping & just a bit of a shit show so far

I'd add aggressive, goady posting too. I had been planning to give it a few weeks to see how it works out, but on what I've seen today I'm not so sure.

Seriously, where are the accusations of racism and white women's tears on there

I have seen some very ‘nits’ posting from posters telling posters that they cannot post on the Chat board. Some very aggressive posts that would surely not have been allowed previously.

Ffs. Justine was clear. Everyone is welcome to post on either thread. It is not segregated by type of feminism.

Quite helle.
Many of us saw posters being deleted for responding yawn or even bless not so long ago.
Again it appears there are double standards applied in modding, dependant on a poster's perspective.

posts not posters in the second sentence.

Try this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4277565-So-what-is-non-gc-feminism?

Sorry, thought you were asking about FWR both sections!
My mistake, this is in the sex and gender section.

Oh, for an edit button 🙄

In my defense, it was originally in Feminism chat, and was moved.

@SpringCrocus

Sorry, thought you were asking about FWR both sections! My mistake, this is in the sex and gender section.

It was originally in the Chat section. It was moved a few minutes ago.

Oh for an edit button indeed Crocus, sorry for the x post there.

X posted.
Although, it still appears in the Feminism Chat listings. Not Sex and Gender.