Any chance of a review of the FWR moderation rules in light of Maya Forstater's success in court please?

[ViperAtTheGatesOfDawn]

The belief that transwomen are men and that transmen are women has been accepted as a legitimate and protected belief, yet we are not able to state this on Mumsnet under the current rules.

It has become increasingly difficult to discuss feminist issues on the dedicated feminism boards as a result of the moderation rules.

In light of Maya's success in court, and that 'gender critical' beliefs are considered protected under the Equality Act, would it be possible for the FWR sex/gender mod rules to be re-visited please?

[ClosdesMouches]

I had reported some posts on that thread, and also reported Arabella's post here to draw HQ's attention to the aggression and attempts at segregation before I saw Bore's post upthread.
No reply as yet from MNHQ, I'll be interested to read any update that Bore has received.

[33feethighandrising]

Sorry, I mean, the sections were feminist chat, feminist activism, feminist theory and feminist book clubs - is that right?

Did anyone use those other sections? I always meant to but never got round to it.

Although I did think we should have been allowed to post petitions in feminist activism, as what's the point of it otherwise? (Yes, you can discuss activism, but no we didn't mean actually that kind of activism).

But last time I suggested it a load of posters piled on saying "no you can't have petitions there as then we'd have to have them everywhere and I don't want a bunch of petitions in the pets board" or wherever. But I don't see an activist branch of the pet board, so it made perfect sense to me to make an exception for a board that's actually about activism.

Never mind, it's gone now, isn't it.

[CardinalLolzy]

It strikes me that the people who didn't want this split are rolling their eyes at the foreseeable ambiguity and aggro, and the people who did want it actually wanted something entirely different

Hmm, what could this possibly resemble....

Feminexit? Or just Sexit?

[ArabellaScott]

I didn't report any comments, Clos, I don't usually do so unless I think a poster is vulnerable and at risk - I can handle people being rude to me. It's just disappointing that MN seems to have tacitly supported those people who want to chase, mock and insult other posters.

[ClosdesMouches]

@ArabellaScott

I didn't report any comments, Clos, I don't usually do so unless I think a poster is vulnerable and at risk - I can handle people being rude to me. It's just disappointing that MN seems to have tacitly supported those people who want to chase, mock and insult other posters.

I would like to see a response from MNHQ because I also feel that at this point they're tacitly supporting that behaviour. Unfortunately to me it does look like biased modding at this point but I await their response.

[ClosdesMouches]

Posted too soon. None of the posts I reported have been removed, as far as I can see. I've seen regulars deleted for far less!

[ClosdesMouches]

HQ have sent me a response about an unrelated post that I reported several hours after my other reports.
On the others? Crickets. Hopefully Bore has received a response.

I'm taking a break for a while to see if these issues settle down as users adapt to the split boards.

[Witchlight]

@ArabellaScott

I didn't report any comments, Clos, I don't usually do so unless I think a poster is vulnerable and at risk - I can handle people being rude to me. It's just disappointing that MN seems to have tacitly supported those people who want to chase, mock and insult other posters.

I disagree Arabella (probably one of the few things you have posted that I do disagree with) as I think the splitting of this board at the behest of a group of people and against the wishes of the majority of the users of the board is an overt level of support.
This level of approval has led to responses that were definitely not deserved by you and have not been sanctioned by @MNHQ. Given they were directly caused by the actions of MNHQ, I can only assume they condone them.

[ArabellaScott]

Yes, true, Clos. Thanks.

[DifficultBloodyWoman]

Two points to note -

1. Moderators can post under their own usernames as well as their MNHQ username. I recall one accidentally posting using their MNHQ account instead of their personal account who then popped up to apologise because a moderator account shouldn’t have been connected to an opinion or advice on an aibu thread (or something similar).
   

1. Emma Healey, the intern behind the leak of gender critical users’ IP addresses, did say that she still had friends at Mumsnet who held views similar to her own.

[ClosdesMouches]

Just popping in to say I've now had a reply from MNHQ. As it was a private communication with no word of any forthcoming public comment on this from HQ I'll just keep it brief.

Please report if you are bullied or attacked by other posters. If we don't report it HQ may not see it.

[BoreOfWhabylon]

I've also had a reply confirming that 'The Rules' pinned at the top of this board apply across the site.

[BoreOfWhabylon]

Sorry, the rules pinned in S&G.

[PurpleWh1teGreen]

@MNHQ I'm late to the party here but as this thread is about the rules could I ask a question? I just completed the survey on schools and noticed that when you collect our category data at the end there are options re Trans men and trans women.

Please could you explain why these options are listed with a space between the two words?

Transmen are not a sub-category of men and Transwomen are not a sub-category of women.

Thank you.

[ErrolTheDragon]

Would it not be better to have a Feminism Chat board and a Feminism Debate board? Then threads which are uncontroversial can go on the former, and posters on the latter are assumed to be up for argument and critical thinking.

No. There are threads which the sorts of people who hid FWR wouldn't want on the chat board but which definitely shouldn't be on a 'debate' board - in particular, support threads such as the transwidows threads.
Better to have the two boards we have now, but have the word 'debate' removed - some of the threads are debate, many aren't and shouldn't be.