Does MNHQ Check Our Inboxes?

[Chillyourbeans]

Just wondering. I received a private message and sent 2 replies and now the recipient has received a message from MNHQ saying the replies were removed at my request. Except that's not true, I made no such request.

Yes I read that @WotchaTalkinBoitWillis but if you read my post you will see that neither me nor the person who messaged me reported our exchange of messages. Neither of us are the spammer who appears to have been at work. So how did MNHQ pick up on our exchange?

confused at people more miffed at MN deletion message than an unknown spamming links via PM that not only could be seen as poaching/spamming

It's not confusing really. Personal privacy and freedom is more important in my opinion than the content of a message overall. I can see why some people might be more miffed at them having messages in their personal inbox ostensibly deleted by HQ on their behalf without basic explanation as to why, than whether the content of the message was a mild or ultimately silly request to check out another website. I mean, are you not capable of deciding for yourself whether it's worth bothering with? Would you be mentally or emotionally scarred?

What is stopping anyone from responding 'please fuck off' to the PM or deleting it for themselves at that point. Why did MNHQ have to do it for you?

I've been a mumsnetter over 10 years and I do think the moderation has become too Auntie. Sometimes as posters I feel we're treated like children.

There does seem to be a difference between someone sending multiple messages about a different chat site unsolicited (I assume they picked up my name from previous Premium MN threads because I disagree with the ethos of asking users to sub a successful site) and OP answering a PM as to what an alternative site may be.
Using some sort of algorithm to pick up on mentions of a specific alternative site is a bit excessive (usual disclaimers about it’s Justine’s site she can do what she wants blah Di blah Di blah.....)

@Saucery a quick poke reveals that it was a squad of spammers, not just the one. All the members over there were asked to spam here to recruit members via PM . So honestly what are MNHQ going to do except search for the site name in PMs?

This is all very silly and entertaining but HQ are running a business.

Personal privacy and freedom is more important in my opinion

OK - so if you agree personal privacy is important, why would you think it a good idea to send your personal details over to a site sending out mass spamming recruiting links and just seems to be set up by people sulking with MN?
At least this is a well known, know what you're signing up to here instead of disgruntled randomers.

While spamming is a bit shit and it’s understandable why those messages were removed, there are two issues:

Firstly, banning any discussion of an alternative site smacks of controlling even more what users are and aren’t allowed to post about, plus it’s a bit pathetic. It’s a bit like cutting someone from your life because they have dared to socialise with someone else.

Secondly, the fact that the pm deletion message states that the message has been removed by user request instead of for being spam is a pretty poor reflection on their IT department. If they can’t get this simple thing right i.e. to put the correct reason for PM deletion, how can they possibly have any credibility when it comes to creating additional features which users are handing over their cash for. Additional features which users have been requesting for years and HQ have been stalling on.

As for people paying for premium features, there aren’t actually any and MN HQ have made this clear. They’re asking for money now for a few less adverts, with premium features to follow at some undisclosed time.

That’s like paying for a product which doesn’t yet exist and being prepared to wait indefinitely just in case it does.

Even kickstarter projects have a date attached when they will be launched and if they aren’t people are usually given a refund. Yet MN are relying on the gullibility of users to believe that a premium site will happen one day but all they need is their cash.

When in truth once the pandemic is over and advertisers jump back on board they will go back to the multi million £ business they were before, with some gullibles contributing to their wealth.

All the members over there were asked to spam here to recruit members via PM

I’m a member “over there” and I haven’t been asked to spam anyone.

All the members over there were asked to spam here to recruit members via PM

Well.....

Firstly, banning any discussion of an alternative site smacks of controlling even more what users are and aren’t allowed to post about, plus it’s a bit pathetic.

Er... this alternative site is being discussed. This thread, and others.

Sorry- wrong C&P

What I meant to post was

but HQ are running a business.

Well...

Yes it has happened to me too. The talk was probably off the guidelines but done private. I thought the sender had doubts and requested deletion.

know what you're signing up to here

Sorry but no- you cannot possibly claim anyone knows what they’re signing up to with MN. Not with all the security breaches, the wildly inconsistent moderation, the total refusal to answer questions about the aforementioned security breaches and then minimisation of them when pressed. MN is certainly no upfront and transparent oasis of clarity.

"If that's representative of the ethics of this other site I don't think I want to touch it with a barge pole"

This.

I have been over there, it's a Mumsnet ripoff with an edit button.

I was not happy with MN initially holding out the begging bowl, however this "slick" ripoff site is nothing but opportunistic.

Please remember it's not been set up out of the goodness of someone's heart. It's been set up by the owner of a forum that also makes money from advertising I believe. I would therefore make a reasonable assumption that the new forum will also be making the creator money.

The same person (or puppet master) spamming the inboxes of current MNet users with links to their forum, after repeatedly being banned from spamming various threads with links to said forum.

Go there, leave here, use both, use neither. In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter to me, but the "slick" new forum is underhand IMO.

The truth is- with MN no one- not even MNHQ knows where your information will end up and those handing over bank details are taking a MASSIVE risk.

I’m a member “over there” and I haven’t been asked to spam anyone

Are you hoping I will link straight to the page for you? 😂

Go and read your own breakaway site. I’m not providing a clubhouse news round up for them 🤣

Firstly, banning any discussion of an alternative site smacks of controlling even more what users are and aren’t allowed to post about, plus it’s a bit pathetic. It’s a bit like cutting someone from your life because they have dared to socialise with someone else

Yet here we all are, discussing the site lol
Surely you can see the difference between discussing and spamming links, via PM and also people spamming links on threads too?! (Which did happen, some individual even sock puppeted on the thread to change their name to the new site's name, I mean WTF is that all about lol
It all seems very playground

OK - so if you agree personal privacy is important, why would you think it a good idea to send your personal details over to a site sending out mass spamming recruiting links and just seems to be set up by people sulking with MN?

I'm not a member of, nor have any intention of joining the site that shall not be named. I agree about the sulking. I'm a regular user of MN who does believe the moderation has become a bit heavy handed of late.

I still like MN and it what it has achieved and the good it does (and I have benefitted from personally) cannot be taken away from it's founder. EVER.

But are there issues occasionally? Sure there are.

Is anyone free to set up another site with similar features yes they are. It's a capitalist society.

Does it give 'them' more oxygen when you take heavy handed measures like deleting messages wholesale from people's Private Inboxes without a proper explanation? Yes inevitably. This thread confirms that.

It's just not a clever step to take. People are capable of deciding for themselves whether to bother with another site or not. I have looked and not bothered. Others can look and come to their own conclusions.

They're/we're not children.

some individual even sock puppeted on the thread to change their name to the new site's name, I mean WTF is that all about lol
It all seems very playground

Yes. I would urge caution to the casual reader that not all usernames scaremongering about MN security and/or bigging-up the new site, are as genuine as they seem.

Someone stands to earn money from the new site. Someone also stands to earn a lot of new members from the disharmony on this site.

Just be aware of the above when reading about the wonderful new forum. If you're leaving here because Justine's had the begging bowl out, at least she was upfront about her motive.

Are you hoping I will link straight to the page for you?

No I was refuting this claim

All the members over there were asked to spam here to recruit members via PM

Because it I am a member there and I haven’t been asked to spam here or anywhere else.

Go and read your own breakaway site.

It isn’t my site. Just like MN isn’t mine. Or yours.

Does it give 'them' more oxygen when you take heavy handed measures like deleting messages wholesale from people's Private Inboxes without a proper explanation? Yes inevitably. This thread confirms that.

Meh. Every time this happens it’s because someone thinks they can reinvent the wheel. They all get incredibly excited thinking they’re going to change the world or something and within a week it’s all blown over and not much is different.

All very juvenile.

Asking for users to spam MN you say?

*Meh. Every time this happens it’s because someone thinks they can reinvent the wheel. They all get incredibly excited thinking they’re going to change the world or something and within a week it’s all blown over and not much is different.

All very juvenile.*

Agreed, this new site looks like the lowest of the low - like something from lidi WITH a reduced sticker on it.

It's the moldies all over again. Anyone that crosses MN will soon be begging to come back here. It happens over and over again.

@ArriettyJones exact same thing happened with the Reddit sub. A few years on and infighting with a slightly strange faction who went into hiding, and although there are a few thousand subscribed only a regular 40-60 users (and that's being generous)

Years before that everyone decamped to Facebook. Infighting, groups seperated, everyone settled down.

Mumsnet seems to have weathered the various storms.

Some people chatting and suggesting it is not all members being asked to do it. Jesus christ. There's been plenty of posts on MN in the past about raiding NM and stuff. Yet I wouldn't call that a call to arms. 😆

I haven’t been asked, and I doubt many have read that suggestion and even if they have they have no intention of doing so.

There's been plenty of posts on MN in the past about raiding NM and stuff

Really?! What for? To loot ticker tape?

Yes. I would urge caution to the casual reader that not all usernames scaremongering about MN security and/or bigging-up the new site, are as genuine as they seem.

The tone of many of their posts is wooden AF.

Bless.