Qui tacet consentire videture... I want it to be understood by MNHQ and by guests to this site that my silence on the subject of the recent speculative threads does NOT condone their existence.

[Aitch]

Aitch.

Nowe any ideas for stopping the mindless speculation in my office? I can;t exactly avoid it by not clicking on the threads, so am rediced to silent glowering.

I could spike the tea I suppose.

Maybe it was this selection of posts???

By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:30:38
Where's OliveOil and her line?

This is simply going around in circles with folk trying to batter each other into submission.

I dont think I'd be angry, tbh. Lifes too short and there are more important things.
By Enid on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:37:22
lol

isnt that what mumsnet does though vvvq
By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:38:58
what? shorten lives?
By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:41:02
Seriously - there is little to debate, and its not really being debated anyway, is it? Its just lots of shouting and the occasional slinging of mud

Come and have a 'debate' on the "good old fashioned smacking" thread..........
By Enid on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:43:17
well I think it has seriously annoyed some people

some nice, reasonable people

therefore is worthy of a discussion - rather than feeding the smacking troll.
By CodHun on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:45:07
yes hun
xxxx
By wannaBe on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:45:44
tbh I think the issue here is one of choice. Some people have chosen to become involved, have sent out emails, distributed posters, may even just choose to keep up with the news. But there are others who would choose not to be involved, who don't want to hear about it on the news any more, or read it in the papers, or to tell their children. But the problem is that for those who have chosen not to keep up to date with this case, the choice has been taken out of their hands, because even if you don't read the papers or watch the news, you can't escape from the posters, or the prayers at schools, or the yellow ribbons, and now the adverts being shown before the u-rated films.

parents shouldn't have to tell their children about this because if they don't then someone else will, they should still be able to shelter their children from this if they so choose.
By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:47:05
"some nice reasonable people"?

LOL!

What is to discuss though? Its been said already - dont like or dont agree - complain, or, if you are planning to go - dont! Go buy the DVD when it comes out instead.

There. Problem solved. So, this troll.......
By CodHun on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:48:39
but what if oyu ahev been and waqnted to tlak abotu it

thast me!
By Enid on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:48:57
well I put that in to differentiate them from me, obv.
By Enid on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:49:20
off you go then vvvq
By wannaBe on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:50:21
but vvv, if people weren't talking about it then those who haven't yet been wouldn't know that the advert was being shown. There are people on this thread who have now chosen not to go because of these ads. they wouldn't have known about the ads if they hadn't been discussed...
By kookaburra on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:51:11
Utterly horrified at this - agree with Enid and all except MrR.
DS2 was very upset by all this when it happened and he was told about it at school.
I had to explain that this situation only arose because their parents were out in arestaurant carousing with mates leaving a toddler and two babies unattended in an apartment in a foreign country , and that the silly girl probably wandered out into the road looking for her parents. He went to the cinema on Sat to see Shrek 3 with friends, so don't know if this was shown. Would be incandescent if he was exposed to phrases such as 'snatched while sleeping'.
Of course we all feel sorry for the McCanns, but ruining the peace of mind of all other children because of their own recklessness and negligence will not help get their child back.
By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:53:34
ABsolutely Wannabe. Job done.

Lets move on........

Because just how long can you go on and on and on about how it angered you? I mean really, what else is there to get out of it? This is just as bad as the all the 'OTT' news coverage, isnt it?
By Enid on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:54:06
I think you are being a bit odd about this vvvq
By CodHun on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:54:27
i got a reply form teh ASA anyway
By chocolateteapot on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:55:00
I'm very grateful this thead was started and hadn't seen this it until just now. It's given me the chance to make sure that if my children do go and see a film at the moment that I ring ahead and check this advert isn't shown. I've been really busy as in the middle of organising a house move atm, so hadn't seen this thread before now, so I'm really pleased it is still being posted on as it gives me a choice.
By VeniVidiVickiQV on Mon 02-Jul-07 13:57:06
Well, you dont want Madeleine McCann in your face all the time, and neither do I.

I just cant get angry about it. I dont think that's odd. And I am finding this long drawn out discussion about it (hence MMC being in active convos all the time), well, long and overly drawn out.

From another Madeleine McCann thread....I think I have made the simple point through and through. No, I havent been completely silent, but I want to disassociate myself from the obnoxious voyeurs who frequent themselves on those threads. Clearly they havent listened to reason before now, so I'm adding my name.

if that's okay with you Binkle?

Ooh, found this whilst I was checking for contradictions ....

By binkleandflip on Tue 05-Jun-07 22:51:32
Nothing to add re: news only that my dd (5) has been extremely clingy in the past few weeks, frightened of me going downstairs when she is in bed, trailing me literally from room to room and waiting at the door whilst I am in the bathroom...it is only tonight when I put her to bed she cried and said she was terrified of someone climbing in the window and stealing her "like what happened to the girl in Portugal" (we are going on holiday to Portugal in two weeks thus she's familiar with the country's name IYSWIM). I've been careful not to let her overhear news castings etc but I think they may have mentioned it at her school in prayers or whatever. Now I feel dreadful that I can't reassure her. In some ways I wish (in a very selfish way I know) that as there is literally no real news that it would go into obeyance until we get some hopefully good news about it. The minute my dd said this it took me back to when I was little and I remembered being absolutely petrified of the Yorkshire Ripper -lying awake fretting whether my dad had locked the back door properly, so I guess I really get where she is coming from. Anyhow, not really relevant I suppose, other than just to say that I understand completely why the Mccanns want to travel around to keep awareness up (I dont think I could rest for one minute either) , but I do think the media is reaching saturation point mostly fuelled by speculation (from media and their sources) and that it's seeping into everyone's everyday lives in perhaps a not very healthy way.

Simple and effective for my purposes Aitch in that it takes me away from the mental images those posters are persistent in invoking in their posts IYSWIM.

I'm not disagreeing with this thread, please dont get that idea. I understand why you wanted to start it. I'm disagreeing with the idea that you can be at one time silent about mm threads whilst having posted/posting on them - in whatever form - to comment on the news, to disagree, to dissent.

I disagree with the posts which are clearly in bad taste (imo) so I dont take them on IYSWIM because they dont warrant my reaction/attention. But my opinion of what is bad taste isnt really important to those posters is it?

VVVQV, I sometimes find intelligent debate deserts you in favour of name-calling (halfwit?) so that's when I decide not to continue dialect with you.

I support many of your views on lots of threads but when you descend to that base level I lose interest.

I know you couldnt care less btw, which is fine, just wanted to point out I'm not ignoring you.

Ju (late as usual)

great to see such interesting sutt on MN AGAIN!!!!

QV, is that necessary ?

VVV - are you bored today?? seem to have an awful lot of trawling time on your hands!!

I'm at work......Make of that what you will.

JV - I'm not normally in the habit of searching through posts. But if someone is going to infer that I am a hypocrite, and then refuses to back it up. I feel I should provide evidence to the contrary of the inferral.

Whilst doing so, I happened to find a post from Binkle that seemingly agrees with everything being said here. Except that on here, binkle seems to want to argue the toss in anycase (hence rabbleraising comment earlier).

I agree, namecalling isnt fantastic. But, I did give you the choice of deciding whether you were a halfwit or just being obtuse, it was for you to decide

(Oh, and I have a typing speed of 87 wpm so it really doesnt take me that long )

post one quote per posting then we will son reach saturation point

Message withdrawn

As for insults.......thinly veiled ones are really not much better, IMVHO. But it did make me chuckle

"Some people choose to have a foot in both camps ie post on a mm thread and post on a thread insinuating they are against mm threads by their silence.

Apparently that isnt hypocritical or contradictory but I beg to differ. Suffice to say some mnrs would make cracking politicians.."

LOL, cod. Read it as ifyou had typed it

I can never be arsed to read it Cod , always reminds me of that American woman pasting chunks about that FAS thingie!

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Justine, a point that you made

'One of the problem's is, if there's no dissenting voices on the unpleasant threads, it looks like there's no dissenting voices... but the truth is we are at the mercy of any journalist who wants to selectively quote anything - and there's not a lot we can do about that. '

You are quite right, if there are no dessenting voices, then it looks as if all MN agrees with these people and this is why this thread was started!

So that those of us who have not posted, can make it clear that we do disagree with the posts.

And the resaons that I don't want to post on each thread are
a. The people on the threads take no notice of what you say and shout you down with 'freedom of speech'
b. What they are posting is often so horrific it makes me feel ill, and I have no desire to beash my head agaist a brick wall, wallowing is vileness
c. Trying to enguage them in debate fans the flames (and I wish this wasn't true, but it is.
d. I have enough real grief to deal with in RL to want to spend time reading people wallowing in someone elses grief for no helpful perpous

This thread is not asking for those other the=reads to be deleted (Over and above the normal MN rules)

This thread is simply leeting us express out feelings on the threads in question. Freedom of expression.

While I mat too defend someones right to say something I disagree with, I also have the right to tell them that I disagree with them.

This was a ways that Aitch though (and I agrees) of outlining our disagreement without it generating into a bun fight.

I can see now that we were wrong.

Are only the ghools allowed to post? Are our views on thos thread not wanted? Because if not, I really will be leaving MN for good. Not because of the rubber necking posts, but because it would seem that while others have the rights to post their views, my rights, to regester my views, are being curtailed.

Hi MB,
Nothing wrong with this thread - have said a few times that you've every right to it - even said I might have joined it were I a regular poster.

fairy nuff

MB, I don't think Justine was saying she didn't approve of this thread.

Oops X posts.

And to be fair, Aitch's post was started after the other posts, so some of us may have posted to express our disagreement/disgust before we had the opportunity to 'register' on this post.

i did post twice on the last thread [under a different name unintentionally] because i was worried that there were too few dissenting voices, despite clasping my nork in the past. But you get told to leave the thread if you don't like it, so you do, and then Mumsnet looks like a Brass Eye piss take of the worst kind of gossips and amateur psychologists. And then of course the Guardian has loads of nasty little quotes to choose from. I don't like what Mumsnet is becoming.

MB if you're still around, have you had a look at the AIBU 'deleting racist threads' thread? Some of the points you made here could be helpful over there if you felt so inclined.

Justine - given that MN own the copyright for anything posted here, don't the media have to get your approval before they quote us?