Qui tacet consentire videture... I want it to be understood by MNHQ and by guests to this site that my silence on the subject of the recent speculative threads does NOT condone their existence.

[Aitch]

Aitch.

Its not about right or wrong.

Its about making sure our opinion is heard (and not just seeing the hideous speculation of some as would be if people just "stayed away").

That's all this thread is about. Dissenter's rights to be heard as well as voyeuristic speculators.

I was sitting on the fence about this one until I read yesterday's thread.

It is very sad that a horrible event such as the disappearance of a child is being discussed in a manner which is voyueristic, almost gleefully so.

So, I sign up for silence. Thankyou Aitch for the most eloquently worded OP.

Binkle has flipped

The line about feeding a dead child to a pig to dispose of the body was the 'thread' that go bumpde out. According to one poster this had really happened in another case. this was used as justification for 'justification' of a durther discussion into the smell of decaying bodies and whether they could be placed in suitcases.

Very edifying.

You still haven. Mademez, pointed out to me where, in this thread, people have been making class based generalisations like 'fag in the mouth'/

Granted they have been allusions to knitting at the the guillotine, but I feel there are more historical, than class based.

Please tell me where the statements you mentioned were made?

Madamez you posted....Yes but where is the thread about feeding dead bodies to pigs? SOunds hilarious.............

you found that funny?

MB

I wrote this for you last night but you had gone to bed. I didnt want to you to miss it;

By haychee on Sun 09-Sep-07 22:42:32
Its discovering others views opinions and thoughts on an issue close to all our hearts. I wanted to explore it further because my dh is against them and i am for them.
It doesnt do anybody any good i agree, but is worthy of discussing given light of the recent developments. It is all about a mum accused of harming her own child, on a parents website it seems perfectly reasonable to be discussed here.
I do agree the detialing to such a degree was disgusting, but then there alot of news events that are disgusting, but we cant control that. Unfortunately none of us know what has exactly happened, hopefully time will tell us all. But my view is, that nothing is impossible, anything may of happened. It may turn out they are guilty, what do any of us know for sure - nothing!

I want to apologise again as i always do, i was involved in the thread yesterday and allowed the hideous descriptions to pass me by. I was furious over the "poopants" incident and the bumping that ensued. I had had a drink (small but very effective as im useless at drinking) and i said somethings that im now ashamed of. It appears MB that you are infact a well grounded person who has alot of respect on here. Therefore, i am a little astounded that you havnt been aboe to hear me correctly all day & night.

I think you are doing the right thing, you wanted it known, that you all disapproved at the highest level and were told you could not sabotage threads the way that one was. This thread has done what you wanted it to. You have disassociated yourselves form the mm threads as you do not want to be percieved as having them same hideous views.

I however, strongly believe there is no good that can come from burying your head in the sand. Life is full of grim twists and turns, none of us like it but thats the way it is.

It was in relation to your lack of clarity on my own personal viewpoint. I want it known i do not wholey disagree with this thread, but i neither agree either.

Was just dashing through, will not be here to hear response but will back later tonight and will check in then.

Have a good day all

Haychee

''I however, strongly believe there is no good that can come from burying your head in the sand. Life is full of grim twists and turns, none of us like it but thats the way it is. ''

I don't believe that anyone who has signed this is burying their head in the sand. Most of us watch the news, read the newspapers etc. in real life. And in real life we may be discussing this topic with our colleagues, our friends, in the pub etc etc.
But not on here.
No-one is pretending the MM disappearance hasn't happened. All we are saying is that some of us wish to disassociate ourselves from some of the more distasteful, fevered and bizarre speculation which has taken place on some threads on here.

CorrieDale the Silent

There's a new thread on the Michael Barrymore case, I am currently trying to figure out if it might also start a big fight, nobody seems to have replied to it and I'm afraid it might be that people are scared too now.
Where do we draw the line?

I honestly don't know, myself.

The bile, hatred and hysteria on Fridays thread was nothing short of depressing - at the heart of this story is a little 4 year old girl who is missing, lets not forget that fact.
Some people must lead very sad empty lives if they can only think of derisory comments about a tragic situation.

ok im not sleeping for worrying baout it
adn how horrendouse the mcanns life has become.

poor poor peopel

I would sign but it appears this thread has already gone the way of the others

Hear Hear Aitch.

it is particularly distasteful that so many posters, given a hint of information from the press, started to speculate about Kate McCann's 'coldness', 'not acting like someone whose lost a child, 'Munchausen's' like desire to get press attention, etc. Yuck.

Awen

If standing up and being counted is still regarded as being necessary, then I stand up to be counted.

Dinosaur.

LilRedWG

I really don't understand the cries of hypocracy at people who posted on Friday's thread and also this one, in support of Aitch's viewpoint.

OK, so those of us who did post can't take a stance of "I didn't post because I didn't approve", HOWEVER we can add our name to a list of people who want to say "not in my name", especially if points made by certain posters are being used in the press.

There are plenty of people, myself included (albeit briefly) who tried to post as the voice of reason. We were told "If you don't like it, go away" as if being the voice of reason was not a valid pov. I for one am happy to add my name to a thread that is, imvho, the voice of reason

The bumping of the thread, whatever you may think of it, was simply a way to make a point when the usual ways of making said point were being shouted down.

Therefore I sign again (Aitch I hope you can live with the fact that someone who posted on that thread is in support of this one too )

TigerFeet

Fluffyanimal (better late than never)

Pagwatch signing here

I confess. I did comment a couple of times. I was quite upset by the "she doesn't look grief stricken" stuff because i am still helping my mum through the loss of my dad after more than 60 years - and she remains unpredictable now! And I found it hard to see all the rabid ranting left to form a narrative of speculation that became so unpleasant. I regret contributing
So I will not contribute to 'those' threads again.
Thanks Aitch

Having thought about it long and hard we do condone these threads existence (as you know) despite the fact that some of what's in them makes us squirm and despite the fact that, when the press quotes selectively from them, it makes Mumsnet look silly.

Still, we do believe in folks' right to say things we find distasteful and silly, even if it makes MN look distasteful and silly in the process. And, of course, we believe in others' right to disagree and disassociate.

Basically we're with Voltaire here (or at least it may not have been Voltaire but it's commonly attributed to him): "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." (Though perhaps not literally).