Some topics not showing up in searches

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Specifically anything in Feminism has stopped showing up in the "Last Hour" or "Last 15 minutes" search.

I know they are there and I know there are recent posts so why don't they show?

Dear Mumsnet, first of all thank you for allowing women to have a safe place to talk about these issues. I understand you must be under massive pressure to shut it down. There seems to be an issue with people joining to post goady or inflammatory stuff, and I assume you must get tons of reports when people don't agree with things being said, rather than actually breaking the rules. First of all, could you make the rules clearer? And secondly, would it be an option to ban new mumsnetters from posting/ starting threads on FWR and from reporting posts, at least momentarily until this all settles down? I mean it might sound drastic, but most genuine people don't join Mumsnet because of FWR and if a poster really breaks the rules, it will be reported by others anyway. I really miss having these discussions in the active threads, but obviously if it is not functioning on your side restrictions need to be put in place. It seems unfair that so many of us are making an effort to have a civil, rational debate to be derailed by new comers.

you do all realise that there’s a whole internet out there? if you can’t play nice, go play somewhere else.

What a coincidence that hiding the feminist board from Active occurs the same week as the court case where a TRA is accused of beating up 60 year old Maria McLachlan at Speakers' Corner.

"but we're at the end of long series of conversations and warnings about the overall tone of the trans debate, the number of deletions, and the fact that inflammatory and goady posts on the subject are putting the whole discussion at risk. I'm sorry this feels sudden - but from our perspective, it's the latest in a very long process which hasn't really worked, and we've not got many more options in the bag. "

This is incredibly chilling.

I wish I knew what the pressures actually are, from whom, and what the potential outcomes would be. can anyone who has any sense of this please PM me? I'm clueless.

In the past couple of days, specifically, I would really really like to know which posts / posters / what tone is not ok. I might miss a lot, I don't spend all day on here. I would love to know if I've not seen the problematic stuff, or don't recognise it as problematic.

I know I'll never know so....

this whole thing is SUCH a mind fuck

"What a coincidence that hiding the feminist board from Active occurs the same week as the court case where a TRA is accused of beating up 60 year old Maria McLachlan at Speakers' Corner."

Yes, they are unrelated incidents. It's really basic stuff that correlation in timing is no evidence of any causal link.

What I've noticed from this thread and the one in 'chat' is how short they both are. When MNetters don't like a change, there are hundreds of posts in a few hours (and threads running to multiple parts over a couple of days). There is no such desire to post about this change to the arrangement of MN topics.

This is such an important issue, and MN seemed to be providing a useful space where people could learn about it and discuss it without being attacked or labelled. I appreciate that there are difficulties involved, but I fundamentally disagree with this change.

What I've noticed from this thread and the one in 'chat' is how short they both are. When MNetters don't like a change, there are hundreds of posts in a few hours (and threads running to multiple parts over a couple of days). There is no such desire to post about this change to the arrangement of MN topics.

I don’t know this is a great argument, tbh (though it is used a lot to shut down concerns - you are a tiny minority and it is a fringe issue). Trans rights is a minority issue, but women’s rights surely isn’t- 50% of the population!

There is no such desire to post about this change to the arrangement of MN topics.

I'm not sure that's true. I'm a prevalent poster about this issue. And I am feeling absolutely stymied by this news.

Everytime I think of something to say, or write, I'm worried it will make things worse.

I don't think it's apathy that is tying peoples hands here.

What’s concerning is that there are many topics in which we disagree from abortion to driving in the middle lane on the motorway. Many threads get heated. Lots of people post in a provocative way. This is all manageable. Only FWR gets hidden and with a request for GC feminists to be especially nice.

People are saying that people had been inflammatory but I hadn’t seen that at all. The odd poster going a bit far but they get moderates and we are all ok. Compared to AIBU it’s positively polite.

This is the only place women can talk about this. And now we can talk but not to women who don’t already know ....

Compared to AIBU it’s positively polite.

Hahahaha! Sorry, I just... hahahaha ha haha ha!!!

It's not.

Or rather, it depends which side of the debate you're on I reckon.

I bailed out of the fem boards briefly a while back and went to AIBU for a break.

I'm concerned that if it MNHQ decide in the future that it is necessary to close down a thread due to goady and offensive posts, that (at least) some of those posts will have been placed there by TRAs, just to whip up a frenzy and give the majority of posters a bad name by association with the basic (fake) views expressed by the TRA. If the threads are closed down, the TRAs will have done their job well.
There are issues where feelings run high and language is going to be colourful and angry. I can understand why MN deletes some comments (their role is to moderate on their own site after all, so that's a given), but I don't see any reason why the feminist threads should be subjected to specific regulation. Imo, the winners are the TRAs or posters with vested interests who do not want to allow healthy and informed / informative debate.
I found some Feminism posts only recently and by accident. It was a revelation and opened my eyes to a whole new world! I'm not particularly computer-literate (no five-year-old to teach me!) and couldn't find the Feminism Board anywhere. My only way of finding it is to search on a few usernames and that will lead me to a current thread. I hadn't realised that the board was hidden. Could someone explain if / where / how I would be able to find it or the contents please?
Thank you,

The space still exists.

You are not stymied.

The search function (contrary to thread title) does return hits from the feminism topics.

You can opt in, if you want the threads to appear in your Active Convos.

"Could someone explain if / where / how I would be able to find it or the contents please?"

Easy. Like every other topic it's listed in the full list of Talk topics - if you click on Talk at the top, it'll take you there, or use the drop down (if in desktop) or the link to all topics at the bottom of any thread.

You can also use the 'customise' menu to opt in to topics that would otherwise be hidden to your Active.

HelpTheTigers, this is Feminist Chat which is the busiest of the Feminism and Women's Rights boards. Loads of threads on there.

You can access the other FWR boards by clicking on the list of Talk Topics. Feminism and Women's Rights is about halfway down.

Talk Topics

I'm confused.

Can you include FWR in Active Convos now, after MNHQ's new policy?

I've included them in Talk Preferences (and they always used to come up) but they don't come up now.

Thank you Pop and Viking, this can be one of the dozen new things that I will learn from MN today! I hadn't known about the active conversations option too.

Scaevola "What I've noticed from this thread and the one in 'chat' is how short they both are. When MNetters don't like a change, there are hundreds of posts in a few hours (and threads running to multiple parts over a couple of days). There is no such desire to post about this change to the arrangement of MN topics."

I've not commented on several threads because I'm afraid of inflaming a situation which is already sensitive. I don't know how best to make sure that these conversations still happen. It certainly isn't lack of interest.

Viking, I’ve tried to change my custom settings to include the Feminism topic in active convos but it’s not coming up as an option for me.

The space still exists.

You are not stymied.

Whilst contradicting me may give the impression that I'm mistaken about my own motives, I can assure you I'm not.

I thought that was the whole point of the change, jelly.

That we can no longer choose to include FWR in active convos.

But if there is a way to do it, I am all for it.

Popchyk, Viking stated that we could use the customise menu to opt in to seeing Feminism in active convos. It’s not an option that’s appearing for me (unlike SEN, which I can see that I can opt into). I was asking how it can be done because I would like to continue to see the threads in Active. Maybe I’m doing something wrong.

Me too, jelly. We are in the same boat.

I'd like to know how to do it as well.

MNHQ is having the exact same problem reddit has with /r/thedonald. Basically, they were a minority group on the site and reddit wanted to be fair and not silence that perspective. But because of that, they gave it more leeway and more leeway to break rules. Instead of making thedonald redditors respectful or even grateful for this, it emboldened them. They broke even more rules and flaunted this to the rest of the subs but it made them more angry and entitled. In fact, despite the fact they've gotten away with more than any other sub, they are convinced they are being discriminated against. Reddit did the same thing - took thedonald subreddit out of trending topics (basically) and allowed people to exclude it from searches because it was trying to contain what it's attempts at fairness had helped create.

I leaned gender critical coming to mumsnet but feminism chat is honestly not a pleasant place and the convos are horrible. Up until this final MN warning (now everyone is on best behavior) if you disagreed with anything, people would immediately start calling you a thick or stupid handmaiden or a man, or saying you hate women and then people would rush to post mini convos amongst themselves about how stupid you are, trying to drown you out. Lots of laughing at the way specific trans people looked (the thread's been deleted now). Insulting them. people saying they find trans people and their bodies "disgusting". Most of this stuff ends up deleted but it's all been there.

MNHQ deletes threads for being too nasty about Megan Markle but it took ages for a thread about why trans people's bodies are disgusting and undateable to come down. It didn't crack down on this stuff in the beginning and now people feel discriminated against even though they are being asked to do what everyone else does - be respectful. I'm glad MNHQ are taking action. Hopefully posters will eventually understand they've done this to themselves.

Up until this final MN warning (now everyone is on best behavior) if you disagreed with anything, people would immediately start calling you a thick or stupid handmaiden or a man, or saying you hate women and then people would rush to post mini convos amongst themselves about how stupid you are, trying to drown you out

I’ve never seen this. I’ve seen people get frustrated by posters not arguing their points. I don’t like the posts where trans people have their personal appearances commented on when it’s not relevant to the argument (e.g. a post on AGP fair game, a post on a trans woman’s
chin/hands/Adam’s Apple unfair if the context is just to mock).

Perhaps in the past there was a lot more - or perhaps I am not reading all the threads. But the vast majority of threads I’ve participated on have been even-handed and no “handmaiden” accusations.

My main frustration is the lack of debate and critical arguments from the pro-self ID and trans rights side.

"I leaned gender critical coming to mumsnet"

Sure you did Saiya.

The glee in your post is there for all to see