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Some topics not showing up in searches

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slug · 10/04/2018 14:34

Specifically anything in Feminism has stopped showing up in the "Last Hour" or "Last 15 minutes" search.

I know they are there and I know there are recent posts so why don't they show?

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KateMumsnet · 11/04/2018 09:34

Hi all

Yes, we've excluded FWR from Active for a bit to see if it helps to take the heat out of the situation I posted about over here, and which was discussed by MNers over here. We think it might help reduce goady visits and general antagonism - as you know, it's critical that the debate remains calm and civilised at the moment so we're seeing what works. We'll reevaluate in a week or so.

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KateMumsnet · 11/04/2018 11:35

Hi Datun - if we pin something it would have to be dire warnings a strong reminder about sticking within TGs and the terms of civilized debate. But there's certainly nothing stopping like-minded MNers from collaborating on a plain-English explanation of the issue as they see it, and agreeing to link to that OP near the beginning of each new thread.

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KateMumsnet · 11/04/2018 11:42

Sorry - should have said 'collaborating on a plain-English explanation of the issue as they see it, aimed at newcomers to MN or to the debate'

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KateMumsnet · 11/04/2018 21:52

Hi all

Yes, completely understand that the post idea mightn’t suit, sorry - was just a quick sugg which I thought might also underline the fact that it really is down to MNers now. I won’t bang on about the same stuff again, but the bottom line is that the overall tone has to change quickly if we’re going to be able to continue to host the debate. The topic takes a huge portion of our pot of moderation resources (as we’re always banging on, sorry) - but the disappointing truth is that it hasn’t actually worked; we haven’t been able to shift the tone - hence our final pleas to self-moderate over the weekend.

On which note, please don’t discount the option to report posts which you think might jeopardise the space for the many - there’s no shame in supporting the sentiment but not the expression of it.

Also are the OPs who use those tactics being punished? Are the Sealions getting consequences? And if not why not?

We apply the same principles universally. But I’ve also got to gently challenge the assumption that people who hold a contrary view are necessarily trolls or sealioning; it seems to me that if this is a default position, things will escalate very quickly.

Please do also take on board the fact that the combative tone isn’t just in relation to goady posts or trolls - the majority of deletions take place in discussions where there isn’t a debate or conflict. It’s a root and branch problem.

Datum, that’s an excellent post and we’d give you a job any day Grin. We’ll have a think about a sticky - we’re going to have a look at things in a week or so and evaluate where we’re at.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:10

Hi all - very briefly, because I'm on leave today, sorry: for now this is a short-term trial to take the heat out of the situation and hopefully give some space to allow a more measured tone to bed in. Datum - there's definitely no setting up to fail and we will deffo think about a sticky.

In terms of being clearer on 'rules' - we've tried hard to avoid that so far for two reasons: firstly, because by their nature they allow no flexibility and most people here seem to think this is a topic with lots of grey areas. Secondly, lots of people seemed to be of the view that if, for eg. 'non-preferred pronouns' were point blank outlawed, it would be difficult to discuss the scientific basis for your argument. We also think that generally, our Talk Guidelines cover most things because they allow for context and intent.

But it may be a price worth paying - and it might be possible, for eg, to formally nix the casual use of non-preferred pronouns where not used in a scientific context, or where they are attached to a particular person. We'll mull it here, and interested as ever in yr thoughts -apols, heading out with kids now.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:28

Quickly - Maryz, I see your point, but we're at the end of long series of conversations and warnings about the overall tone of the trans debate, the number of deletions, and the fact that inflammatory and goady posts on the subject are putting the whole discussion at risk. I'm sorry this feels sudden - but from our perspective, it's the latest in a very long process which hasn't really worked, and we've not got many more options in the bag. I hope I answered your questions about telling people what rules they're breaking more specifically above - but as far as our current TGs go, the posts that need to stop are those which are intend to inflame or provoke, ie are goady.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:29

Apols -rushing and hit send too soon. Am off now - cheers everyone.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:37

What if allowing a free-for-all was likely to result in the topic not being able to be discussed at all, relaxitllbeok - even for those who are able to post without using those terms? I think that's the important question for people to ask themselves.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:46

Maryz, re AIBU yes completely understand - but if every single AIBU post was only ever about MILs, we'd deffo approach it with the same perspective.

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:53

... and in truth it's really not about who's reporting and who's goading; we see that stuff, but as I said upthread, there are as many deletions on threads where only a gender-critical view is being expressed (ie when you talk amongst yourselves). This is really about the big picture - someone said on a thread recently that the world is watching, and from the outside, this can often look like a pretty unpleasant place Sad

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KateMumsnet · 12/04/2018 12:54

STOP ANSWERING AND GO OUT
yanks self through door
Wish me luck 'shopping' with dd

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DawnMumsnet · 15/04/2018 12:26

Hi all,

In case anyone hasn't seen our posts on this thread in AIBU and this one in Feminism Chat we just wanted to let you know that FWR threads will be showing up in Active Conversations again from tomorrow.

This was only ever hoped to be a short-term measure but we've taken on board the strength of feeling expressed on this thread and elsewhere on the site.

Thanks for your patience, everyone. Here's to civil debate. Gin

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