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Word of advice to MNHQ

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Hahahahaha123 · 23/08/2017 17:35

The next time you send an email about a poster to that poster by mistake. Probably best not to refer to your users as 'these people'

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DamnFineCherryPie · 24/08/2017 10:57

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Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:57

Yes, Pandora there have been some amazing posters either with good knowledge, lots of empathy and/or ability to give some tough love when necessary. One of the things that MN posters had was that they didn't just go 'oh hun - ur kidz ur rules' when people were genuinely asking for advice or if they were being unreasonable - before all the goady fuckers started lining up for a shot. Although I think there are fewer goady fuckers than we would imagine - it's just they've got fuck all else to do so it's like playing whack-a-mole with a dozen rather than having 500.

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:59

oh my comment got bored with me and posted so it doesn't make complete sense - it probably wouldn't have if I'd carried on so no loss Grin

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:59

oh my comment got bored with me and posted so it doesn't make complete sense - it probably wouldn't have if I'd carried on so no loss Grin

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:59

oh my comment got bored with me and posted so it doesn't make complete sense - it probably wouldn't have if I'd carried on so no loss Grin

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:59

oh my comment got bored with me and posted so it doesn't make complete sense - it probably wouldn't have if I'd carried on so no loss Grin

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 10:59

oh fuck it

Maryz · 24/08/2017 11:21

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IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 24/08/2017 11:23

@maryz I didn't read that thread and I am assuming it one that I keep seeing in active.

I've been sucked in by a troll before in sensitive subject that's why I refrain from certain areas now. Ive also been lucky not to be sucked in fair few times by seeing members call them out.

I have got to say though MN members are pretty on the ball with seeing bullshit of trolls. Like I said earlier if someone PM me to give me heads up I'd like to see it as them having my back.

I'm all for backing members up in something to change the way they deal with trolls reports and hAving MN being proactive but I won't get involved in slating them.

After all MN are suppose to listen to its members voice of reason.

SumThucker · 24/08/2017 11:25

FIGHTCLUB FORUM Grin

Agree with those looking 'for support' in AIBU Hmm

Although Chat can resemble a bear pit lately.

Ginslinger · 24/08/2017 11:28

there are a few posters whose stock response is YABU no matter where the post is or what it's about -

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 24/08/2017 11:31
Star For the prefects on the thread. Your badge is on its way; MNHQ thanks you for your support at this difficult time WinkGrin
YesEinsteinsMumDid · 24/08/2017 11:33

What gets me is the posters who post in AIBU asking for people to be nice because they only ever post in AIBU and thus don't want to put their post anywhere else. Confused

I really have 2 issues:

  1. AIBU did not used to reflect the rest of MN in nature
  2. Asking for people to be nice in AIBU is pointless these days and has been for a while
DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/08/2017 11:35

Dame are they paying you?!Wink

Sorry,don't get the jokeBlush been up since the crack of dawn waiting for exam results and appear to be hard of thinking today!

JustineMumsnet · 24/08/2017 11:36

Hello all,
I'm popping in because I think reading this there's clearly some stuff we need to respond to/ discuss.

First, to address the trollhunting thing...

We have a rule about troll hunting for good reasons, I believe. If you allow troll hunting then there is a strong likelihood that genuine posters, often in need of immediate support, will be met with suspicion and disbelief. That's not to say I think Trollhunters are worse that Trolls (that would be silly) but it's true that Trollhunting can be as big a problem as Trolls when you're trying to moderate a forum. Hence why we've always asked users to report suspicions instead of airing them on the boards.

I know some disagree with that stance and I can understand the desire to unmask someone you think is telling a pack of lies. It seems that that's landed some longstanding Mnetters in some hot water and eventually ended up in them being banned - which is a shame. Some of those posters seem pretty miffed (putting it mildly judging by Reddit!) and some of those return periodically under new IDs often, it seems from our perspective, to put the boot into HQ, which clearly is not an ideal outcome.

Secondly we've always believed in treating posters equally - that's not to say we don't value the many brilliant Mumsnetters who've posted regularly and wisely over the years - but that we want mumsnet to be unthreatening/ welcoming to newbies and not a closed shop. So we've eschewed all the "royalty" stuff you'll find on some other forums like showing number of posts etc. partly for that reason (and partly for reasons of preserving anonymity - ie folks who name change to say something personal etc). But if we've given the impression that we don't value long standing users because of that, then I'm truly sorry and it's something we will give some thought to.

With regard to this particularly issue - as RebeccaMumsnet said last night - it was a mistake, of course, to send an internal mail direct to the user in question and we're sorry for that. But the expression "these people" was not referring to Mumsnetters in general but rather to a few previously banned users who keep returning under pseudonyms to troll hunt and/or, to put it bluntly, slag us off. As you'd imagine, that causes our mod team lots of work and a deal of frustration - hence the use of the not particularly friendly term "these people". (As some have pointed out it could have been worse Smile.

Contrary to some views expressed here - MN's purpose and vision hasn't really changed at all since we've started 17+ years ago. We've tinkered with our moderation as we've learned some things along the way but the principles remain the same as they always were: we think that pooling knowledge, experience and advice makes parents' lives easier we want to be a place that facilitates civilised debate and diverse opinion, as we think that contributes to understanding and empathy - again making parents' lives easier. We've always put that purpose before profit and we continue to do so.

So, we'd love to move things forward because it's genuinely saddening that a group of people who've contributed so much to the site over the years are so disenchanted that they collect on an alternative forum to give MNHQ a kicking and come back periodically to stir things up. And of course it's not great for the mod team's morale to constantly be thought the worse of. We would love to hear any thoughts on how we might move on (although obviously some banned posters may not be able to contribute directly - but please feel do free to drop me a line via [email protected])

MadMags · 24/08/2017 11:37

Sorry Dame I had misread the username! It was Damn to whom I was referring. Flowers

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 24/08/2017 11:37

@faith can I have one I can put it with my stupid certificate I got from a thread few days back

DamnFineCherryPie · 24/08/2017 11:37

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 24/08/2017 11:41

Ah right, no bother Smile

MadMags · 24/08/2017 11:46

@JustineMumsnet to be brutally honest, some of your mods are downright rude, sneery and passive aggressive and it's not helping to create a community spirit.

In short; there are a few who are developing quite the God complex!

Perhaps they need to shadow the likes of Rowan, Olivia et al to find out how not to patronise, insult and seriously annoy the people who are, after all, the reason you have advertising revenue!

PandorasXbox · 24/08/2017 11:47

Justine I understand why troll hunting isn't allowed but the amount of troll threads on the board seems to be huge. Many posters aren't taking such threads seriously myself included. I see certain threads and think "bollocks" and yes I report and try not to troll hunt but it's almost laughable at what's left to stand these days but we aren't allowed to say " hang on that can't be right? " because that's seen a troll hunting. Please give us some allowances for querying the content of an iffy post.

LostGarden · 24/08/2017 11:47

OP wasnt a previously banned poster , she was suspended. A big difference.

endehors · 24/08/2017 11:48

Quite, Madmags.

JustineMumsnet · 24/08/2017 11:51

[quote MadMags]@JustineMumsnet to be brutally honest, some of your mods are downright rude, sneery and passive aggressive and it's not helping to create a community spirit.

In short; there are a few who are developing quite the God complex!

Perhaps they need to shadow the likes of Rowan, Olivia et al to find out how not to patronise, insult and seriously annoy the people who are, after all, the reason you have advertising revenue![/quote]

That's not how it appears from my end MadMags but if you have specific egs then feel free to send. What I would say that if pushed we all have our limits. It's hard to meet consistent anger and aggression without the occasional retort...