This is bullshit. Thread #2

[BeyondSpecialSnowflake]

Following on from...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/a2716008-Seriously-MN-this-is-fucking-bullshit?msgid=63181862#63181862

Gay men are okay.

lesbians Are Bad. TERRs, We're terrible people (I honestly identify as lesbian because I like women, sexually best. Weirdly no lesbian has ever had an issue with this, and I've only ever been sexually with my DH. but it's so much easier to say bi to stop TRAs in this context) The amount of rape threats we get is astonishing.

The sheer level of abuse my partner and I put up with in uni was horrid.

I saw Germaine Greer speak in the late 90s and she was talking about how trans issues negatively affected women and feminist causes. I asked her, with some trepidation (she's quite scary!) if she was perhaps overemphasising its importance? I was a young mother then and some things just seemed more pressing. Mark my words, she said, this will become a bigger issue and you will have to deal with it. Bloody eerie really.

Ada identifies as lesbian, non?

So do gay men not have the same pressure to sleep with FtT people - why not?

Ada can't be a lesbian though? She's gay, right? Or am I wrong please don't shout at me anyone I'm still trying to learn..

"Presumably the men who have sex with pre- op transwomen are actually gay or bi, just in denial? "

It is indeed a curious market. Many years ago, I was involved in a research on Amsterdam's Red Light District and got to speak with quite a few customers of pre-op TW prostitutes. They were attracted to women but liked being penetrated. Several had gone on to TW prostitutes after women with strap-ons.

No sorry, not gay. She's heterosexual, right?

HE'S HETERSEXUAL

God, it's late. Sorry everyone.

A sad amount of gay men agree

Tbf, a lot don't, but a lot do. They don't see FTT as the same. It's obviously homophobic to even suggest it.

Ada identifies as lesbian, non?

They may identify as a lesbian, but they cannot be. As I understand it, a lesbian is a female who is sexually attracted to other females. Ada is not female, Ada is a gay male.

Ada identifies as lesbian.

I can't even spell sorry, my eyes are slowly closing, I'm knackered.

x-post ItsAll.

ItsAll, that's what I was getting at but failed miserably

Sorry, that should have been heterosexual, not gay - too late at night..

She can identify with a frog, she's not a frog though..

I did the same Its

I think the word you're looking for there would be misogyny. Or male privilege, perhaps. TM have been raised and socialised as women, with the associated reduction on demanding behaviour.

WaitrosePigeon, IIRC Ada identifies as "Lesbian non binary trans woman" - they identify as a woman and so by bonking other women they are lesbian. Not hetrosexual. Because they're a woman (appropriate pronouns, natch!)

Many of these anti-women “Gender Identity” statutes were passed quickly and quietly in the guise of “equality” and “anti-discrimination” measures, and this strategy was by design:
“We have to acknowledge that we have largely achieved our successes by flying under the radar”, (then) Transgender Law Center Director Masen Davis stated eighteen months ago, “It is a secret at Transgender Law Center and I’ll ‘come out’ today. We do a lot, really quietly. We have made some of our biggest gains: that nobody has noticed. We are very quiet and thoughtful about what we do, because we want to make sure we have the win more than we want to have the publicity. And that has been largely effective. We’re not the only one, and many organizations have done this, and we’ve been able to get a lot done.
You know you're on the right side of history when your strategy involves doing things behind the public's back at all costs :/

xposted ItsAll - I'm not disagreeing with you, but that seems to be the way it's heading, some sort of giant identity erasure.

Copied that from the reddit thread.

How disturbing. It's the exact same fucking attitude eto the 'lets all discuss FOOF so reasonably but the end result is suck my ladystick'' AKA, The Cotton Ceiling. Which has lead to truly, truly repugnant Ada thinking corrective rape or banned from uni is clearly a totally fair, normal, and not scary reaction to FOOF.

I just had a quick Google - there seems to be a distinct lack of FtT trans activists - is this because they were socialized as female?. While looking I came across this horrific story though

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/07/25/transwoman-activist-cherno-biko-confesses-to-raping-a-transman/

I don't even want to try figuring out whether Ada is straight or gay.

I laughed at all the people justifiably pointing out that trans prostitute has just completely outed their tax status...

Ah. Perhaps "confused" is the most appropriate label...