dear mn hq why are so many disablist threads being left up

[Samcro]

one today for instance and mn hq post
"We don't think that this thread is disablist, it is a valid discussion that we don't think should be shut down. "

yet it has obviously been reported.
cause hurt and upset
how is that making life easier(or better) for the sn community`?

or this message from mn hq
That CBeebies is just far too PC
Thread deleted
Message from MNHQ: Thanks so much for all the reports about this.

Although there has been some interesting debate and discussion, we do agree that the OP and some of what ensues is disablist, so we have decided to delete.

how can these be interesting debates??
\not long ago mn hq said that they were going to be quicker dealing with this stuff
what happened??

I have a bit of a sore knee, is labelling it as arthritis beneficial? After all, I would meet criteria for diagnosis and everyone gets arthritis eventually.

I'm feeling a bit up and down, is labelling it as bipolar beneficial? I think I would meet criteria for diagnosis as everyone has mood swings

Diagnosis du jour really pissed me off

By the way, I have posted on a good deal of "I think I am undiagnosed autistic" threads, this thread in no way came across as similar.

"Diagnosis de jour" (inaccurate French too, just to throw that out there...) still stands.

Yes Beyond, to your comparisons.
Sometimes though the comments are more on a par of "I feel like sitting on my bum on the sofa all day, I think I meet the criteria for a disability", especially with the many comments suggesting children are just horrible, or their parents are lazy etc.

Yes, that's a good point so here's one I didn't think of...

Sometimes I like to lie in bed all day. Is it beneficial to label (/diagnose) people who like to lie in bed all day as having CFS? I think I meet the criteria and would love to have £500 a week in disability benefits

I really would love a diagnosis for DS1. He is non verbal, socially anxious and has global development delay. Whilst he meets most of the criteria for his SEN school without a diagnosis he isn't considered a high priority for entrance. It was a struggle to get him a place.

MrsFizzy, I was on the deleted labelling thread.

The thing is the question regarding labelling confused me. I read it and thought

'Yes, it is detrimental to label anyone, with or without any diagnosis'.

Going on from this, I thought how people use valid diagnoses as an excuse to apply their own (invalid) labels to people because of their own prejudices.

If someone has prejudices concerning disability, they can stereotype people with disabilities and thus use the name of any valid diagnosis like they would a label (although the diagnosis is completely valid). Unqualified people incorrectly applying diagnoses to themselves or others compounds the issue and could further distort people's perceptions of a diagnosis.

I then used examples concerning how I felt my own child's additional needs were stereotyped, totally unjustifiably and incorrectly, although I used the term 'labelled' which caused confusion to say the least.

My issue is, I don't think these points I posted are disablist. The detriment I talked about, I explicitly qualified, as being a result of people's prejudices not any diagnosis. Yet because I unfortunately used the term labelling, instead of stereotyping (the meanings are very close, I did check), other posters were clearly offended.

As I said there though spin (and I feel like we are going in circles here!), 'labelling' as a negative thing is not a new concept - both I and granny experienced it from HCPs many years ago.

I have no issue with what you said (that I recall) btw, just with your insistence that nobody knows 'labelling' is used negatively as that isn't what the dictionary says

Beyond yes, of course labelling is negative and it is not new. Added to this labelling still happens. I remade my points here party because the other thread was deleted and partly because I saw the posts on here asking, 'Is it detrimental to label someone with a broken leg' etc and realised I naturally read this question differently to how it is, perhaps, intended to be read. My initial answer is 'Yes', because labelling anyone is detrimental no matter what diagnoses they have or have not.

Beyond

I have no issue with what you said (that I recall) btw, just with your insistence that nobody knows 'labelling' is used negatively as that isn't what the dictionary says

I don't get why you think I was saying that. It was not what I meant to convey at all.

Sorry, ignore my last post, Beyond, I get you now. The thing is I think, as a result of my own experiences of my child being on the receiving end of stereotyping and labelling, due to people's prejudices concerning my child's additional needs, I think the term 'labelling' is one which has great personal meaning for me. To deny it would be to minimise that particular set of hurtful experiences.

As the thread went on, though I acknowledged, the alternatibve connotations of the term purposely labelling being used, by some, to hurt by seeking to invalidate and minimise a valid diagnosis.

But the lapse of this connection being forefront in my mind was perhaps due to my own experience again as although my child had some additional needs they received no firm diagnosis.

Spin The way you've described your interpretation of the original question makes sense to me as would your replies from that mindset. Unfortunately I don't think the OP or some other posters were asking whether labelling or stereotyping in itself is wrong. I think they were asking whether getting a diagnosis in itself is detrimental to a child. Which lends to the myth that autism is just bad behaviour, naughty or horrible children etc.

The person wasn't asking that.

They were idly worrying about labels after doing an online test and saying it was a stigma they'd have had to carry around all their lives.

I get that now, MrsFizzy but you can here see how posts can get interpreted totally differently. Even in my last few posts, I have managed to misunderstand Beyond on at least one occasion. This is not down to my understanding of the English language either as English (language and literature) has been my specialism.

The thing is, I personally think, groups of like minded people, with a shared experience, develop a common mode of expression that outsiders often find difficult to completely appreciate.

Polter yes, I felt I was going mad at one point! Funny thing is, I mentioned the whole conversation to my DH when he got home and he understood what I meant straight away. Maybe we should get out more

:) spin, I get you now too

Can anyone answer here (my memory is shit at the best of times!) what were the OP's other posts on the thread? As mnhq have said on the campaign thread that they take them into account to try to interpret the context of the thread

In my memory, they didn't excuse the question, which you would think they did from mnhq's response. But I acknowledge that could just be me!

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