Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

which means that these mtts who feel like a women actually are behaving in a ultra stereotypically male way i.e. telling women who they and what they should do. So these mtts are, in fact, being more male than born men.

I think you mean "more masculine than regular dudes", but yeah, that's the case, and it is very ironic.
I've met lots of men who never in their lives would have gotten the idea to claim to be female, who were much less masculine in demeanour and appearance than those most prominent MtT.

It's ridiculous, really.

"To call yourself non-binary or genderfluid while demanding that others call themselves cisgender is to insist that the vast majority of humans must stay in their boxes, because you identify as boxless."

Yes. This is exactly why I find the word 'cis' so offensive.

What do you think the root is Vestal?

My theory is that it is men's womb envy.

That's my theory too.

Cis is a social construct...very often used to imply contempt for non trans and to intimidate, 'other' and exclude people from the debate on the assumption that they are not informed enough to speak.. a bit like TERF, which is a slur exclusive to the female sex used to silence and discredit women who dare to speak about their own lived reality. There is no male equivalent of TERF, even though we all know who's to blame for this insanity. www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/Politics_and_the_English_Language-1.pdf

I'll take TERF. I'm a radical feminist. I want to exclude transwomen (and, in some circumstances, transmen) from areas of female life which are linked to biological sex. That encompasses a fair bit of feminist activity, as well as other things affecting women regardless of their politics.

There's no truth in cis, so I won't take it.

Although, we shouldn't even need the word feminist.

I like PERF myself

I like PERF too.

No one group should be entitled to label another group, that's the essence of it for me.

Trans people as a rule take gender performance very very seriously in ways that relate only casually to the realities of being biologically female. Here in Ireland we CANNOT seem, no matter how hard we try, to get our very seriously anti-feminist abortion laws on the political agenda, despite these having resulted in the deaths of pregnant women due to them being denied treatment for life threatening conditions by virtue of having wombs. And the trans posts and campaigning I see on this? It is apparently offensive to say "her body, her choice" and we should be saying "their body, their choice". Fuck that. Irish feminists have been campaigning on this for most of my life... And though women can't even be sure they can withold consent for medical procedures in labour, the most pressing issue now is pronouns? These people are not allies of women.

And yes I was born with a womb and ovaries and a vagina but if you dare to tell me that's fucking privilege when my life is legally considered public property if I am pregnant, you can seriously swing for it. I am not CIS and I absolutely reject this dangerously antifeminist labelling.

Please don't call me cis.

Ever

What is PERF?

Penis-exclusionary radical feminist. As distinct frm TERF.

I googled and my top hits confirmed it was a linux profiling tool, so I like that too.... No?

Aha - thought it might be something like that. I think I am too. Maybe a SPERF (sometimes penis exclusionary rad fem), as I quite like them usually

Though I like that iPhone auto corrects to PERFECT

Maybe a SPERF (sometimes penis exclusionary rad fem), as I quite like them usually

I totally disagree.

'Cis' is a useful and needed word, like 'heterosexual' or 'white'. If we only label people who are different, while regarding ourselves as the 'normal, default' setting, that increases hostility towards anyone different.

But we are the normal default setting.

the equivalent to 'heterosexual' or 'white' you are looking for here is 'woman'.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarggghhh.
(at potato)

Suppose Rachel Dolezal were to be known as a 'transblack'. And then black people had to use 'cis black', to indicate that they are born black rather than feeling black, and they're happy with the expectations applied to blacks, happy to live as blacks, happy with the kind of race characteristics which obviously apply to them. So that the transblacks don't have to feel 'different', because they've always known that they like black-people things (though they tend not to get stop-and-searched quite as often), the cisblacks must accept their new name, and the changes in statistics that ensue - guess what, black people are now far less discriminated against than we thought! Aren't you happy, cisblacks?

potato - but we're all different. None of us conforms 100% to gender stereotypes. By and large its the transgender activists who are into labelling - most of us just want to be individual women.

I might be ok with cis if it meant 'cis-sexual' since I am still the same sex as I was at conception, and biological sex is a real (nearly) binary thing.

Yy errol. I am happy referring to myself as cis sexual (though are we then into homo/hetero territory? Obviously not interpreted the same, but meaning literally the same!!)

Perhaps any time anyone gets called cis they should agree that they are cis-sexual. Do you think that would have more or less impact on the genderists than arguing?

Seek - you forgot those cisblack folk should acknowledge and check their cisblack privilege. Those transblack folk are much more oppressed.

I have genuinely only seen cis on MN and that's when people are objecting to it, not using it. I'd never heard of it until I saw it here. I agree it's an unnecessary term and I respect people find it offensive but I don't think it's being used in a widespread way?

Admittedly I don't frequent trans forums but I'm educated, and like to think I'm fairly up to date with lots of issues (though I may be wrong!). I work with Psychiatrists, Psychologists and Nurses (and am one of them) When I mentioned the term the other day, only one other person knew what I meant.

We work with a small number of trans people - none of whom have ever used the word in our interactions with them and as I don't think any of them are 'trans activists' but just trans people getting on with their lives, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them wouldn't know what it meant either.

Is it creeping into being used outside of trans-activism? Because I haven't seen it but would really like to educate myself around the issue.