Banning the term "cis"

[OlennasWimple]

Apologies if this had already been done, but can MNHQ consider banning the term "cis", given how horrifically offensive so many users of MN find it?

I don't think I need to set out the background and reasoning to this request (but can do so if it would help!)

I'm OK with the moi, it's the st that gives me the shivers.

Vulva - that's another I struggle with, something to do with the ul sound.

Vulva - that's another I struggle with, something to do with the ul sound.

If you want that banned, you should look for support in the transactivist camp. I heard they successfully banned vulva cupcakes as "transphobic".

Yup VV. Stopping women from talking about their own bodies is plain old misogyny. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I also agree with the OP. I find the term "cis" highly offensive and would ask that the term is not used for either women or men.

Maryz, ds2 came home from school the other day telling me that a man had given birth, I wonder if that was the one?
No idea how he'd heard it, but I did point out that men do not have the necessary parts to conceive, carry and birth a baby, so this was a woman who identified as a man, rather than a man.
Hope teaching my 11 yr old some basic biological facts isn't transphobic, but there's no way I am going to tell him that yes, a man gave birth, because that's physically impossible.

Bengal - it's not a fabulous solution to just call yourself a non binary woman. Because the binary is made up. The binary is not a real thing. Nobody is binary, but by calling yourself non-binary legitimises the idea that binary gender exists. Much like people who say 'it's cool if you're not cis, you must be agender' still nope, agender also legitimises the idea that gender is a real innate thing that some people just happen not to have.

Sorena I don't even know where to start with you. I think from the way you write that you're pretty young. So give it a few years and see how ou feel about redefining yourself just to avoid hurting people's feelings.

A quote from my friend J a tranwoman sadly no longer on this planet to share their wisdom. A few will know her from twitter etc JSAndrews. I highly suggest those interested in the trans debate check out her feed.

transsexualism and transgenderism were constructed; they haven't been around for ever and I doubt they will continue forever.

Vulva cupcakes -- whaaa? Are they a thing? Do they look like Georgia O'Keefe flowers or something?

How can you ban a fucking cake anyway??? I mean, who's going to police that? goes off to search for a recipe
A new low has been reached.

Vulva cupcakes -- whaaa? Are they a thing? Do they look like Georgia O'Keefe flowers or something?

Depends on the artistic talent of the person who makes them, I suppose. They're just sort of cupcakes with a vulva on top. Apparently used to be a very popular thing at feminist cake sales, fighting the taboo on talking about female anatomy and all that.

Not sure if they were actually banned officially, or if it was just a case of transactivists accusing liberal feminists of "transphobia" and the liberal feminists just giving in. Still, ridiculous.

tarty Look no further 😳😂

Phil unless he's been watching this 90s not at all classic obviously

Arsehole cupcakes? No thanks. But thanks for a late night guffaw.

And for the record "that's a no from me!" on the cis prefix too.

eh?! vulva bloody cupcakes?! Who the heck wants to eat a vulva cupcake?!?

I agree with OP. I am a woman. Not a ciswoman. Any one born a man who has male DNA is a man, or a transwoman.

Er, thanks Etta.
I don't think Georgia has anything to worry about.
they're not frightening at all, no sirree, especially not the weird-looking dicks

tarty yes they're all pretty creepy but agreed, the severed penises are definitely the worst.

I've just been and spoken to a community of trans women that I know and they all felt that if people on this site do not want to be referred to as Cis then that's fine and should be respected. None of them use the term anyway...they said sometimes, in for eg a scientific or professional conversation they could see why it might be used but there was no need for it otherwise. I feel strongly about it not being banned though because there are occasions when it might be used and it's not offensive deliberately. I don't like a lot of the inference that trans women are "really men" when they're quite obviously not.

Thanks for going away and seeking approval for us cis women, Violet, I really appreciate that.

Violet, transwomen are men. Born with a male reproductive system and socialised as boys and men. Without surgery or hormones there's nothing to differentiate them from other men. There's no special lady brain that makes them women - that's been extensively debunked.

Why do you think transwomen are obviously not men?

There is a debate around what 'man' and 'woman' mean. The strict definition is adult human male and adult human female. I would prefer if we stuck to that definition, I think it's accurate; simple and clear.
But, it also refers to a social role, with behaviour expectations and assumptions attached to it. (Gender). I do understand that there are people who don't want to be associated with the gender 'man' or 'woman' even though they are male or female.
I can accept that trans women are not men, although they are male. However that does not make them women. Woman is more than a gender role, just as man is also more than a gender role.
To be a woman you must be female. You don't necessarily have to be a woman if you're female but you can't be a man.
So for me, a trans woman can say they are not a man, but they cannot ever not be male. And they cannot say they are a woman.

Maryz we actually have a trans woman in our town.

Unfortunatly all the hair and the skirt so doesn't disguise that they are a man.

They want to be treated as a straight woman. Good for them. However they become abusive and aggressive when they are trying to hit on a straight man and getting knocked back.

Now imagine if they was living as a gay trans woman. A man can defend himself against a transwoman. Another woman might not