Anti-Religious Trolling On Mumsnet

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I get that not everyone is religious and that some people are very anti-religious (some with good reasons).

But some MNetters are religious, others are simply curious. So how come so many threads are allowed to be derailed by anti-religious trolls? Today a thread about Good Friday was deleted because a troll came on. FFS, it's Easter! Threads about Islam are regularly derailed by Islamophobes. On a thread seeking information on Judaism in the Philosophy & Religion topic, a troll has posted LMFAO. Ok, serious question, why does the Jewish God make all men wear a funny beards? She continues venting for a few posts before eventually exiting the thread saying that she is on drugs because It's Easter, party time.

She is a MN regular, like most of the anti-religious trolls here. I have reported her posts but they still stand.

Trolls are not interested in knowing what other people think or believe. They have no desire to discuss the point of actual threads and rarely start threads of their own regarding their issues with religion or belief. They just derail threads in the hope of driving all talk of religion and different beliefs off MN. And they are succeeding.

Why are MNHQ allowing this to happen? Deleting threads instead of dealing with posters? Allowing blatant anti-religious trolling to derail threads that people may find supportive or informative? Is MN a religion free zone? Because if it is, that's ok. I just think that religious posters should be told. Then they can go elsewhere if they wish to discuss their beliefs.

Ok - I don't agree with you

Bertrand well, the talking to God thread certainly went off point numerous times, I pointed it out in my posts on that thread at the time. Thankfully the thread was not totally derailed that particular time.

It's about not being a twat and leaving a thread alone if you know you don't have anything useful to contribute. It's about respecting someone who clearly doesn't want to have a debate but is asking for ideas and starting your own thread if you want a debate.

But no-one on here gets to announce that they don't want a debate and don't want anyone disagreeing with them and automatically gets their way. It's a discussion board, that's what people do, they discuss. Imagine if you started a thread saying "A question about the EU" and demanded that no-one who doesn't support EU membership wholeheartedly contributes - it just won't happen. Why should those who want to talk about religion be any different?

Augusta tbf it's more like starting a thread to talk about the EU and posters piling in to say they hate all politics and politicians and how it was all a load of rubbish.

When people want to discuss aspects of religious faith, they want to discuss that, not whether religious faith itself is worth having.

"Augusta tbf it's more like starting a thread to talk about the EU and posters piling in to say they hate all politics and politicians and how it was all a load of rubbish."

Not it isn't. It's more like starting a thread about The EU and getting all stroppy if anyone posts about Brexit because you only want to read stuff about staying in.

Oops, sorry, unnecessary duplicating post. That'll teach me not to read properly.

triptrap according to his doctor.

Fucky. 'You don't get to decide what other people post' . No. But you get to decide what you yourself post. You can decide whether to post. You can decide nah, not for me, nothing to do with me, and leave it.
And as for claiming the op is as much at fault for posting in chat with an unclear title, what an outrageous statement. The clue is chat, general stuff, informal about this and that. You seem to have had horrible experienced, and its your right to despise religion of course. But other people having conversations which do not include or interest you, is just something you have to suck up. I said the same thing up thread and people seemto have seized on the phrase. To be clear its other people's conversations I am talking about.
Bertrand im surprised you have never come across what lottie is talking about. It happens Very frequently. And ill say again, people are mixing up the private and public aspects of faith and belief. One is fair game for debate, the other is a personal thing which should be left alone. Or else the cooking threads would be full of horrified vegetarians derailing, etc etc and nobody would ever get to talk about anything as someone else would find it highly upsetting.

To my mind the atheist derailers are as bad as the ones that approach people on the street and tell them all sorts of nonsense. .

If mn was here 400 yrs ago all this would be about transubstantion and the bible in the vernacular. We don't have to engage anymore so maybe don't if it's nothing to you.

No its not. Its more like posting about your favourite parts of Europe and getting derailed by the brexiters. 'I like French cheese' 'you do realize that the French cheese Industry is subsided by a bloated and corrupt eu bureaucracy and is encouraged to not pasteurise which leads to several csses of gastric upset every year?'

It's not proper debate, when it is a series of expletives and emotive retellings of horrible experiences you have had with people who call themselves Christians, though, is it ducky?

Not that your personal experiences are not real or valid but they don't relate to every single conversation which includes an aspect of the Christian religion.

If you want to discuss your experiences, get some acknowledgment of the problem, closure or explanation as to how religion might influence those people involved, maybe a thread dedicated to this may help.

How am I doing that?
I think you (all general you btw) should differentiate between personal faith and public policy. I think you should let people have conversations in peace if they have nothing to do with you, which private matters of faith dont. By your lights objecting to proselytizing for any viewpoint is wrong in any situation.
I don't, I think there is time and place for any conversion talk. An informal chat on a board, no, on the street, no, in a hospital on hearing bad news, no again.
Its a case of manners and tolerance really. Cuts both ways.

^ and it could be in the spirituality section. I am sure people would post.

Are you still over 24 hours later going on about my thread title?

I think Ohfucky is getting a bit of a bumpy ride here tbh. Happy to be contradicted but she wasn't the only one on that thread saying Why the fuck would I be doing anything at 3? or giving their reasons for not doing so.
It appears her experiences of religion have been very upsetting.

Personally, I would tut and sigh and close a thread that turned out to be on the subject of something I dislike, but not everyone will. That's entirely different from rocking up on threads about faith and attempting to piss on chips with boring predictability, which is a pastime some on MN and this thread seem to enjoy.

ducky look I have been called 'delusional' just for holding Christian beliefs. It has been insinuated that I am not at all rational and that I don't understand science, just for holding Christian beliefs. Thankfully I can dismiss these points of view, there are Christians who are scientists and clinical diagnosis over whether someone is delusional requires much more rigour than checking whether someone is relgious or not. My point is people say unkind things in anger and frustration, you can't take it personally.

The things you feel other posters have done to you ducky I feel you have done to me for 24 hours because of a thread title.

Actually correction. 27 hours.