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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 19:09

Well Hemming will have the free time available now he's on JSA. I dont think he is capable though...?

NicoleWatterson · 19/08/2015 19:09

Raincorn when I changed mine it didn't change until I clicked the link on the new email

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 19:09

Big fox I've had the same when I use my works iPhone but not on my android phone. I though it was a bit odd but ignored it Hmm Blush

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 19:10

Can you take screenshots and post of Jeffrey and his mates on the other site?

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 19:10

Jeff has mates?! No one is that stupid Grin

FuckOffJeff · 19/08/2015 19:11
Grin

I quite like it too Wink

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 19:11

I've seen that ad before too, its often on torrent sites etc.

TidyDancer · 19/08/2015 19:11

Oh dear (thanks March for the explanation). Sounds rather bizarre. Not sure what the motivation is.

OutToGetYou · 19/08/2015 19:12

So, changed username, changed password to something totally new, going through checking passwords on all accounts now to make sure they are all unique. I've been meaning for ages to use some online password generator and storer so this is the prompt, I have a free day tomorrow so looks like that is what I will be doing all day.

I wasn't on the list, but that's not to say he couldn't do it again or had another list. That his Twitter account has been disabled is annoying as it makes it harder to watch his claims - has he got a new account?

headlesslambrini · 19/08/2015 19:12

Is the attack over yet? Do I need to panic buy anything, stock pile loo rolls, hide the wine?

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:13

Yes, it looks like a couple have been users for a while and just do low level trolling, one has posted on one of these threads with fake concern.

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 19:13

Hide the wine? Stock up on the wine!

Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 19:13

Still can't change password. Why isn't mnhq helping me?

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 19:14

march I just looked on the link and can't find it

Pipbin · 19/08/2015 19:15

Jeff is one sad little man, who has this much free time?
A little man who can't get an actual girl to touch his willy.

GloGirl · 19/08/2015 19:16

FYI

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read
SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 19:16

march (you are probably already doing this but) screenshot everything you can and pass it onto MNHQ, it might help the police in their tracking of the culprit(s)

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 19:17

Good he doesn't deserve willy touching from anyone, not even his own hand. He's a twat.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:19

Arkkorox

It's quite hidden. I will go back on and try to find directions. (I don't understand how the site works BTW)

Anyone know how to do a screen grab on android tablet?

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 19:21

Down button and off button?

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 19:22

March on mine it's the centre button thing and the power button on the side.

Jux · 19/08/2015 19:22

Hi, MNHQ
I'm one of the 11. I just want to let you know that all's fine now - I'd been having trouble logging on despite a password reset, and then the site became totally unavailable. I sent you a couple of emails via [email protected] but imagine you're inundated.
Thanks for the emails alerting me to what's been going on.
I have reported the op in order to draw your attn to the fact that you can ignore my emails!
I imagine you need bucketloads of gin!

Off to read all the threads now.

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 19:23

Volume down and power key at the same time march

FlyingPirate · 19/08/2015 19:23

On android I think it's volume down button and power button together

ghostspirit · 19/08/2015 19:24

who is jeff