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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
MissDexter · 19/08/2015 12:09

Could someone please check if I'm on the list?

I only tend to use the site through my phone and am permanently signed in so I'm hoping not! Confused

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 12:10

akkakk I don't have a profile, just used a false Christian name when I registered. It is that name that is appearing in a lot of the spam mails.

Cozie I know email addresses are very easily used and abused. What is unusual today is the volume (somewhere in the region of 1400 mails this morning) and the fact that many were addressed to the pretendy name I set up here, and here only.

To be honest, I am not that arsed, it is a pain in the bum, but no one is dead, so meh. Just curious if that nugget of info made a difference in the phishing/hacking sceanrio

captainpotter · 19/08/2015 12:14

Please can someone tell me if I'm on the list?

ThisNameIsBetterThanMyRealOne · 19/08/2015 12:14

MissDexter I'm sorry but yes You are on the list.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:14

It's a PITA right enough - although that volume is notable. (I haven't had one email which doesn't appear to be genuine, though.)

It's just occurred to me that I have to correct myself - I now remember that I have logged in during the last month. During the 'Customize' debacle/thread when I had to tailor watching and so on. The click of doom right enough, maybe? Grin

ThisNameIsBetterThanMyRealOne · 19/08/2015 12:15

captainpotter Yes You are.

I have now received an email from MN.

JessicaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:16

@Altinkum

MN, I've asked about de-reg and a few questions, about it, I then got a reply automatic reply asking if I am human Grin

Am I on the list to get answers?, no big deal in the grand scheme of things. Its just I've waited over a week to get these answers. I just do not want to add to your emails again.

Hi,
We're working this the emails we've had - there are a lot as you may imagine so it's taking us a while but we will get back to you as soon as we can.

twojumpingbeans · 19/08/2015 12:16

I had the email, I've changed my password now, is there anything else I need to do? What information is actually on the list? I'm on holiday with the DCs so haven't got time to check back through the thread.

akkakk · 19/08/2015 12:16

Tooold

too much techy speak from me - I would see that as being a part of your profile - i.e. the info in the database related to you :)

yes, it is useful to know because it means that the hacker has done something with login information - either by logging into MN as admin / HQ user - or randomly logging into some accounts and exploring...

but as you say, probably no more than just a pain...

lampshady · 19/08/2015 12:17

I'm on the list.

Have changed all passwords. Haven't got time to read both whole threads and am late to the game regarding all of this, didn't know it was going on.

Please may someone tell me what I may be in for? No spam emails received yet and presuming there's no personal info stored by mumsnet.

Will go through and read when I have time.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 12:18

I didn't customise. I was logged out loads the past few weeks. I only used the same tab that's been open for months. I am not on the list.

SirChenjin · 19/08/2015 12:18

cacan - I definitely wasn't. I have been keeping an eye on my inbox and junk folder but nothing.

Kezzywezzywoo · 19/08/2015 12:19

I have masses of spam mail from over the last few days so I'm thinking I may be on that list Hmm

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:19

twojumpingbeans

If you've used that password for anything else (eg emails) then change it thre also. Otherwise? No, I don't think so at this stage.

wineoclockthanks · 19/08/2015 12:19

thank you for checking for me

floraljo · 19/08/2015 12:20

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SirChenjin · 19/08/2015 12:20

As if by magic I have just received an email advising me of the fact that I am on the list - several hours after another poster notified me by PM.

Really pissed off - that delay is not on.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:20

PS - sorry, I meant the original password - but basically, your password should be unique for each system you're on.

waitrosefizz · 19/08/2015 12:21

Too much emphasis is being put on 'the list' - likely it just shows a sample of what he was able to gather anyway. If we all take the necessary password changing action (I changed the pw of the email address to log in, too) all will be well.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 12:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

gordonpym · 19/08/2015 12:21

Kezzywezzywoo sorry, yes you're on the list

skyeskyeskye · 19/08/2015 12:22

Is my name on the list?

I am at work and cannot read the whole thread, so apologies for that, but can anyone tell me what is on the list? Is it email address, password, username, RL name???

I have changed my password on here last night, does it need to be done again?

waitrosefizz · 19/08/2015 12:22

*email address I use to log in to MN, that should have said.

Carmex · 19/08/2015 12:22

Am I on the list?

akkakk · 19/08/2015 12:23

skye nope