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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
Altinkum · 19/08/2015 12:24

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MissDexter · 19/08/2015 12:25

Thanks for checking

akkakk · 19/08/2015 12:25

Right - I have to go and do some work :)
if you are concerned about what is listed - do PM me and I will try and reply

list of all names & lots of comments advising on what you need to do / worry about is on this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2451977-Am-I-on-the-list

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:25

Carmex

No - you're not on this one but best if you react as if you were.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:27

@SirChenjin

As if by magic I have just received an email advising me of the fact that I am on the list - several hours after another poster notified me by PM.

Really pissed off - that delay is not on.

Sincere apologies for the delay SirChenjin: this thread and MNers have definitely outpaced our email. We needed to pull together a list of everyone on the hacker's list's email addresses. We've mailed everyone whose password was posted now.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:29

It seemed to have an extra loud ping when it arrived in my In Box as well, Sarah. Can you all arrange for that? Wink

Carmex · 19/08/2015 12:31

Thank you Smile

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 12:31

sarahMumsnet I haven't received an email except in answer to a report I made about dedsecs post - I'm on the list though. I know you are snowed under, but I would appreciate a message if you get chance please

Annimousey · 19/08/2015 12:34

Can someone please check if I'm on the list, please?

I thought something was amiss when I tried to sign in last night and the website said that my password was wrong so I changed it, but I've just changed it again making sure that I was on the correct https page.

:/

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:35

@twirlypoo

sarahMumsnet I haven't received an email except in answer to a report I made about dedsecs post - I'm on the list though. I know you are snowed under, but I would appreciate a message if you get chance please

Hey twirlypoo - the mails have gone out, so it should be with you soon. Really sorry it isn't there yet; everything's a bit sluggish due to the volume of of mails we're sending. I'll speak to tech to see if there's anything they can do to speed things up.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:37

twirlypoo could you PM me your email address? We can check at this end for you.

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 12:37

ahh right, sorry I thought that meant they had actually arrived in users inboxs rather than just having been sent. Don't worry - it will arrive soon (glad I wasn't just being singled out to be abandoned though!)

twirlypoo · 19/08/2015 12:39

I've just pmed you sarah

FilthyPout · 19/08/2015 12:45

Could someone please point me In The direction of this list, want to check if I'm on there! Thanks

quietasamouse · 19/08/2015 12:45

Do we know when the phishing ended?

SirChenjin · 19/08/2015 12:47

SarahMumsnet - thankfully other posters have outposted you, but why?? This has been going on for some time - apologies if you've already explained, but why on earth did you not send an automatic password reset as soon as it all kicked off?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:48

@Annimousey

Can someone please check if I'm on the list, please?

I thought something was amiss when I tried to sign in last night and the website said that my password was wrong so I changed it, but I've just changed it again making sure that I was on the correct https page.

:/

Hi Annimousey, I've had a look, and you're not there under this username, but let me know if there's another username I can check for you? Alternatively, you can look on DadSec's website (which I appreciate you may not wish to do). If you do Ctrl-F, you can search the list for any other MN nicknames you use.

00100001 · 19/08/2015 12:49

filthy you're not

DoreenLethal · 19/08/2015 12:50

Dadsec has hacked the Civil Service World twitter account as well, by the way. Just in case you are in touch with the police MNHQ and didn't know about it...

DoreenLethal · 19/08/2015 12:51

Perhaps Alistair Charlton can contact him for comment there.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 12:51

Can you link?

FilthyPout · 19/08/2015 12:54

Thank you for checking for me!

ZylaB · 19/08/2015 12:54

Someone said I'm on the list, can I get a pm with the password that it showed please? I'd changed it when the idiot started stuff and I want to know which one was revealed. Thanks

CantSee4Looking · 19/08/2015 12:54

sarah - i have a email from HQ asking me to confirm something. Am i to assume that the link contained is safe or is it best to email and ignore link atm. It was just to confirm a change I made. Will it have an expiry date on it which will cause me issues?

Btw - the new message saying to check the url is up and showing when I logged and and logged back in again.

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 12:55

Page 11 of the "Am I on the List" thread has got all the published usernames (without passwords!) in alphabetical order, thanks to a lovely MNer.

Can I suggest that MNHQ replicates this in an easy to access place so that we can reduce the webtraffic to Jeffrey's page?