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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
LAM1 · 19/08/2015 11:52

Thanks minion for checking for me!

IHopeYouStepOnALegoPiece · 19/08/2015 11:53

Is there a way to delete my PMs without going through them individually?

I have my home address mentioned throughout for various reasons and would feel much happier to have them all gone but it's taking an absolute age to do it one at a time.

A huge Thank you to all the posters who have info for people, I have to agree with the previous comments about mnhqs lack of contact

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 11:53

i really want to know what their legal obligations are - i'm uncomfortable with teh site still being online when info can still be accessed.

JessicaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 11:54

There have been lots of tech questions which we'll try to answer individually but for now here are some general responses which cover some frequently asked questions

The emails about the password reset are still going out. It takes a while to send out the hundreds of thousands of mails and we're sorry we haven't been able to speed that process up.

If a user sets the same password again, the same as the one on the list, then yes someone can use it. We're working on something right now to prevent this, we'll also be introducing more forced complexity as part of that.

Everyone who has logged in recent weeks should assume their username (or email address if that's what they use to login) and password is on a list, even if not visible on the published one.

Only the login page is HTTPS. The important point is that when logging in the name should be www.mumsnet.com. Note, some browsers only show mumsnet.com which is also fine.

wineoclockthanks · 19/08/2015 11:54

Hi
Finally logged back on, can someone check if my name is on the list please?

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:55

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Cacan · 19/08/2015 11:56

SirChen everyone was sent a change password automatically.

akkakk · 19/08/2015 11:56

TheHoneyBadger
we don't really know...
it would be interesting for some on the list to go to:
ip-lookup.net/
and see if their IP address is as on the list...

An IP address will only be harvested by code in the page picking up the IP address of someone visiting that page - while a db might store it, the MN database has passwords encrypted...

therefore the only way in which someone could accurately get username / password / ip address is for the MN user to have visited a page and put in username and password - and the page picks up IP address as well

at what other point are all three present?

if that is the case, then that is phishing, however it is dressed up...

I don't know how that means that the information was gathered / how old users were gained...

some entries in the list have no IP (all the mumsnet ones and a few others), some have IP and nothing else

It doesn't look as though the list has been edited - or it would probably have been edited better, so if not, then yes it does raise questions...

however, there are only a few places where a password can be collected:

  • keylogger on the user's computer (unlikely across many MN users)
  • picking up traffic to the browser (nope there is SSL so that is encrypted)
  • hacking the database (nope the passwords are encrypted)
  • hacking the code (php / asp / etc. - possible and I would be checking it)
  • code injection (adding code to a page - again, code vulnerability)
  • phishing (most likely in terms of easiness etc.)

none of them explain how the list would have old usernames on there as well - unless someone has typed them in - are the passwords valid? if not, may just be a red herring... or someone was trying to use that account

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 19/08/2015 11:56

TheHoneyBadger

ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/principle-7-security/

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:56

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akkakk · 19/08/2015 11:57

wineoclockthanks no not on the list

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 11:57

I cannot see anything in my history.

Re phishing a question for the clever ones;

My email address has been inundated with crap, addressed to a made up Christian name only known to MN registration. If it was phishing, would they not just have gathered email addresses/passwords etc?

Be gentle in replying, I am a bit thick with all this new fangled electronic stuff Grin

ThreeBeanRap · 19/08/2015 11:57

Could you check if I am on the list or WineAndPizza?

Thank you!

Toooldtobearsed · 19/08/2015 11:57

YAY, I just received my MNHQ email!

GoOnPullMyFinger · 19/08/2015 11:57

Anyone struggling to change their email address?

Password change has been successful but when I request an email change I get an email with a confirmation link. I type in my password to confirm (it all appears very legit) but then I get an MN 'Sorry, an error has occurred' message... Hmm

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 11:58

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cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 11:59

Ah - just received the 'Sorry to have to tell you, BUT......' email from MNHQ. (Although not the original one yet.)

Cacan · 19/08/2015 11:59

IHope tick all the boxes and press the rubbish bin symbol

akkakk · 19/08/2015 12:02

Tooold was that information also in your profile?

  • hacked database would not have given passwords - they are encrypted
  • however there were mumsnet users on there so if any had access to other areas then that data may have been taken...

I would assume that any data you have shared with mumsnet may be in someone else's hands...

TallylynLake · 19/08/2015 12:03

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IHopeYouStepOnALegoPiece · 19/08/2015 12:03

Thank you Cacan can't see the option to tick all but I'm using my phone so presume that's why! Thanks again, much appreciated!

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 12:04

The lists are sold/swapped/bartered, Tooold so it's possible that your email is being used by different people for different purposes entirely to others. (It's all down to money and power at the end of the day.)

Hopefully, your provider will clock on to a big deluge and implement barriers. In the interim, just keep on with reviewing your security, implement any changes needed and keep a weather eye on what you get.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 12:05

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GooodMythicalMorning · 19/08/2015 12:08

Just got an email too. Thanks. I hadnt read about this before. I'd reset mine last time with the same pw as was assuming it was a glitch. Changed to a different one now.

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