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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ!

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JustineMumsnet · 18/08/2015 15:37

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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textfan · 19/08/2015 01:50

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PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 01:50

As MN don't actually have mods (unlike other forums), does this mean that someone is saying a paid member of MN staff has sold us out? Or is it just more bullshit?

BrumpyGollocks · 19/08/2015 01:50

I'm not going anywher.... We shall not be moved etc

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EeyoresTail · 19/08/2015 01:51

When I logged in it said https but on this thread it only says http. Is that normal? Will it only say https on a log in page then revert to http when you navigate to other pages etc? Confused

SurlyCue · 19/08/2015 01:52

Any of those on the list, did you log in at any time since last tuesday? I did but couldnt see my name on twitter list. (Not that it matters- password was only used here)

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 01:52

The only thing of note that's happened to me recently is a massive (and I mean massive) increase in the number of cookies/small time malware I had to scrub on the last two goes. (But not today.) Maybe 8 or 9 times as many? I don't see how that could have done anything but have it for what it's worth.

hashtagwhatever · 19/08/2015 01:52

Thanks wicked.

What's 4chan? Is it a site where the trolls unite?. What was meant to be on the bbc?

I'm so Confused.. pc is down too I would like to know if my MN name was on the list.

SarfEasticatedMumma · 19/08/2015 01:53

Can someone tell me to go to bed? I am reeling from all of the new passwords I'm going to have to remember...

GarminGirl · 19/08/2015 01:53

They DO have mods.... The night watch ones

And textfan how are your children at risk? Calm down

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 01:54

I would be interested in knowing what the gift was?

SarfEasticatedMumma · 19/08/2015 01:54

Not as far as I can see hashtag

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 01:54

The stuff about a mod helping gain access comes from DadSec's twitter feed, so take that with as big a pinch of salt as you wish

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hashtagwhatever · 19/08/2015 01:55

Lovely thank you for checking sarf Flowers

textfan · 19/08/2015 01:55

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PerspicaciaTick · 19/08/2015 01:56

But they aren't full-blown mods maurauding around the databases of users details are they? They just have the ability to close dodgy threads while we wait for the proper day shift to come in.

SabrinnaInUtopia · 19/08/2015 01:58

I have logged in a few times since last Tues - and I tried (and failed) re-logging in earlier today, when I had no clue all this had happened, I missed all the drama last Tues.

I'm not on the list - so I think MNHQ might be right on the phishing thing.

Bogeyface · 19/08/2015 01:59

But its NOT just this site its our emails too!

How the fuck do you think they have your emails?!

Even if they do get your email address, unless you are daft enough to use the same password for everything, then they cant access them, they just use your email to spam you.

And that list suggest that they dont have access to that because if they did then I am in no doubt that they would have published them!

CALM THE FUCK DOWN!!!!!!! :o

Cacan · 19/08/2015 01:59

EeyoresTail does that for me tooSmile

CloserToFiftyThanTwenty · 19/08/2015 01:59

He's gone a bit quiet on there now, though - maybe his mum insisted he had to switch off the computer and get some sleep

Kleptronic · 19/08/2015 02:00

Textfan they have email addresses which are already in the public domain, if you've ever emailed a shop for example. Those lists get sold on. They have usernames, already public on here. They have them together but can't do anything with them, as long as your old password for here was NOT the same as the password for the email account.

If it was, don't say on here, but change it, pronto.

I reckon they've already tried the emails anyway. Someone had a go at mine, but my password's always different. So no problem.

youarekiddingme · 19/08/2015 02:01

FFS I missed the updates.

Anyone with a list please let me know if I'm affected. I would be forever grateful.

AGnu · 19/08/2015 02:01

I'm fairly sure that https refers to a secure connection used for logging in but once logged in it reverts to http because the added layer of security isn't needed anymore. I think...

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