I came onto this thread accidentally but have read through all 24 pages and have learnt a lot, thank you all.
In real life would call myself a trans-ally or a supporter.
But on here it's rather interesting to note that certain voices on here would insist I was a hater of trans or phobic or whatever put down they could find.
It's so sad that a massive and important issue has been twisted and subverted into a way to oust women from being women. It's bizarre and quite frankly idiotic, whose interests does it serve to pit two under privaledged groups of people against each other? I would politely suggest it's not in women's interests, nor in the trans community.
I also find the re-labelling of women as 'cis' whilst aggressively denouncing any language errors and misnaming as evil... Well the hypocrisy is staggering.
I know the OP won't deign to answer or even acknowledge the majority of voices on here saying that 'cis' is not a label we want to be defined by, but I'm fascinated to know, how does the OP live with the cognitive dissonance?
Is he aware of the double standards hes trying to enforce? Does he stand proud by his double standards, and honestly believes that trans women's voices and rights must be superior to the rights and voices of 'cis' women?
Does he in fact believe that there is something inherently unimportant about 'cis' women? And is happy to be seen as advocating for their silence and degradation of rights?
Because that's the very clear message that I'm getting from this thread.
Or does the OP somehow gloss over the gaping hole in his thinking and in fact doesn't understand that by the way he's defined the argument and politics of trans women, that he's behaving badly towards all other women? Perhaps he's too wrapped up in this crusade to see that he has quite needlessly decided that the only way to be pro-trans is to force women out of the way?
I find it difficult to interpret the OPs aggressive and unconstructive posts but it seems really unpleasant to be trying to dominate and silence all women - I was going to write 'all women who deviate from his prescriptive ideas and agree that women must come second to trans women' but actually, I've not seen any indication he even wants anyone to support and agree with him. It does feel like the purpose of the rude and domineering posts are to silence anyone but himself.
Which is not conducive to a... Discussion board, especially one which is centred around parenting, and support.
Would the OP feel more comfortable if women were no longer allowed to discuss anything to do with being a women, either through exploring individual and group identity, societal shifts and tensions, historical and contemporary cultural mores and contexts, and lived experiences? And if the OP seriously wants to ban women from being allowed to talk about themselves, how does he think that will help the trans cause?
And if he does believe it's right to silence women in this way, what does that mean for Mumsnet? Does he believe that mumsnet should not exist at all? As it's all about a safe and constructive space for parents and yes, primarily women though open to men too - which he is clearly opposed to. Or is it about policing what women are allowed to discuss? So only light chatter and hobbies allowed?
And if, considering he hates Mumsnet and everything it stands for, and his attempts to dominate and subvert the entire enterprise are (surprisingly) not succeeding, why does he carry on posting here? If he honestly supported the trans cause and wanted to help in a constructive way, why doesn't he set up his own online space where he can moderate and implement a positive and supportive environment for a group which doesn't have much of a voice and so much work needs doing in terms of helping people going through a really difficult time?
But I guess that's not going to happen, as the OP believes (or desires to) in taking away from women to give to transwomen - and wants to silence people and make sure only his voice is heard.
Which is a really odd thing to believe now I think about it!