Is Mumsnet HQ evil or not very bright.

[TiggyD]

As some of you may already know you're allowed to call transgendered women "men in dresses" and refer to them as "he" and "him.

"So some men dressing as women..." as one posted said in relation to trans women got the reply from RebeccaMN:

We agree that this post is in poor taste but we don't tend to delete on those grounds because it would be really hard to know where to draw the line.
The truth is, we don't think we should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive and what they shouldn't. In these instances, it's very rare that a tasteless comment is left unchallenged, and we would highly recommend that you put forward your point of view on the thread.

Well firstly I think Mumsnet should draw the line at discrimination of a protected minority group.

Secondly, if MN don't think they should be the arbiters of what people should find offensive, maybe they should ask a representative from a human rights or anti discrimination group? Misgendering is always wrong.

Thirdly, is it rare an tasteless comment is unchallenged? Now the trans people on Mumsnet refuse to post on trans related threads who the hell is going to challenge them?

Fourthly, that post was unchallenged. Have a look at the thread.

Fifthly, "tasteless"? "TASTELESS"?! WTF? Tofu is tasteless. Would MNHQ describe calling people spastics or coons or faggots as tasteless? Misgendering is a put-down towards an entire minority. Dismissed as tasteless.

A quick look at a quote about the 2010 equality act:
"harassment - unwanted behaviour linked to a protected characteristic that violates someone’s dignity or creates an offensive environment for them".

Is there harassment in trans related threads on here? Is the dignity of all transwomen violated by referring to them all as men in dresses? Bleedingly obviously yes. Does it create an offensive environment for them? How the hell could it not? Does Mumsnet do anything to stop it? No.

-----------------

It all makes me wonder if the people of MNHQ are deliberately letting all this unkindness and discrimination and harassment go on because they evil, or because they don't know any better.
I think I have it. I reckon it's like the Ricky Gervais thing where he started doing "Mong" faces. All kinds of people told him it was offensive and an unkind name for people with Downs Syndrome but he refused to accept it. I think he thought that as he believed himself to be a good person, and he used the word mong, that mong had to be an acceptable word because he was good. I think it must be like that in MNHQ. They believe themselves to be good people and when they allow people to call transwomen men on thier site it's fine because their belief in themselves being good trumps all the views of the victims.

-----------------

One question for MNHQ that I alluded to earlier. Have you ever asked any kind of trans, human rights, or anti-discrimination group about how to treat trans people?

Have you?

Ever?

Send them another email Tiggy.

1. That'll be in Talk Guidelines, I dare say
2. What earthly business is that of yours? Like they are going to Out any Trans employees for your personal gratification
3. They did take advice iirc. Doesn't seem to cover one poster throwing their rattle out the pram because the mere mention of alternative views isn't met with an immediate Ban.

There is harassment on this site Tiggy you are doing it right now.

Well quite, Cooger, however, I'm not convinced Tiggy is all that interested in what anyone has to say, not even MNHQ, he just wants to stamp his feet until his hissy fit has worn off.

Poor Tiggy the women didn't listen when you made your manly roar, no wonder you just can't cope. You've been answered, you don't like that answer? Dereg or suck it up. Just stop harassing MNHQ, it's dull now.

This thread has been very enlightening in a lot of unexpected ways.

Care to expand Sparkling? It's fine if you don't, but I'm intrigued now!

You are doing a massive disservice to a site that supports parents of Trans* DC.

I've seen those threads, have they passed you by? Page upon page of help and advice.

You might need to ask yourself why that bit of a Parenting Site doesn't figure in your attacks. They're not part of the recent trend for men to play at being women in the public eye, courting media attention and claiming to be The face of Trans, the only face of Trans.
You'd rather surf on the waves of the controversial and ignore the lead-up to the threads where women are driven to state why they are uneasy about the erosion of what it means to be female by men aping the most trivial of all the feminine trappings of make up and clothing.

I'm bowing out of this thread now before I say something like 'Oh do fuck off Tiggy, you are a twat and no one here gives a flying fuck what you think'. Not that I would actually ever really say that, as that would be a personal attack.

Nor would I ever bother asking Tiggy why he, as a man, who isn't Trans, who isn't a woman, who doesn't have children, he spends soooooo much time on a parenting website called MUMSnet, trying to tell us how to think. Because, if I asked that he a) wouldn't bother replying on here as he has been ignoring people's questions throughout and b) he would probably just send me another snotty PM (which would fail as I have blocked him - as MNHQ told me to do).

I think it would be s shame if we couldn't discuss the issue of gender identity.

But in order to do that we do need to refrain from personally attacking people. And if Tiggy wants to be referred to as 'she' then we should respect her wishes.

No doubt I'm 'cisplaining' or whatever

Tiggy would describe himself as a "cis man".

Why hadn't Tiggy been banned yet? He is a goady abusive horrible man who likes to bully women on this site via pm's. Really, why is he not banned?

Flora he can describe himself as the Queen of fucking Sheba if he fancies, doesn't make cis any less of a load of old bollocks

Ubik Tiggy is, from his posting history, a gay man, not trans anything, so calling him she would be misgendering him, and he gets very upset if anyone misgenders people, apart from when it's him misgendering women of course, because that's absolutely A-Ok.

Ooo, I've only just found this thread.

It was me who posted the meme which seemed to irk Tiggy so much.

This one

March, now that's an excellent question. His treatment of "weirdcatlady* was appalling.

I thought Ubik was making a point about tiggy's constant commenting on trans issues while not actually being trans.

Why hadn't Tiggy been banned yet? He is a goady abusive horrible man who likes to bully women on this site via pm's. Really, why is he not banned?

in response to this I think that despite MNHQ being both thick, evil, and transphobic, they actually are worried about offending trans people and their activists and allies. Which would kind of prove this whole thread to be bullshit... I'd guarantee that if I posted a thrad accusing MN of being stupid for allowing goady fuckers in FWR that the thread would practically be pulled before I could post.

Life seems so complicated now.

I'm remember being surprised the op was a man, I imagined a harassed sloaney type pearl wearing blonde in a farm house with 4 kids and a plum in her mouth . Shows what I know!

whem You could be right. I'm having awful dramas with my lady brain tonight.

Also, curiously, Tiggy seems to not give two fucks about transmen. You know the kind of trans person who started life with a vagina. Might mention mention them on a parenting site as they are likely to have given birth and suffer real discrimination, hey? No? Just TW?

Tiggy also regularly trolls the Feminism section despite no being a feminist...his thing is telling women what to do.

• oh and I have also had a pm from Tiggy in the past.

I've got a man brain baking. You should get one. They're fabulous. Everyone just ignores my tits and fanny now and listens...

Maybe "the Patriachy is getting [him] down".
To coin one of his own phrases directed at FWR posters. They are very shrill you know, apparently.

Tiggy, they have answered you.

You're not obliged to like the answer, however.

Are you going to stop using the term 'cis' as most posters find it offensive?

So basically Tiggy could shit in MNHQ's mouth and he still wouldn't get banned? Well, that's bloody fucked up.

Baking all I can say is that as I have many many topics hidden I had only seen the OP around infrequently and had no idea of any of this, I thought they were ok.