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Deletions - These are ludicrous

1550 replies

Hullygully · 29/05/2012 09:26

Ok, that's enough now MNHQ

Stop it with the mad deleting.

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HoneyDragonWearingLederhosen · 29/05/2012 23:43

Its wrong abiut quiches stay on quiche threads that's why they are erm quiches. Unless they are flans.

People do get cross that people have the temerity to chat though, specially on a chat forum.

BawdyStrumpet · 29/05/2012 23:44

I still have no idea which thread of which you speak. I was away over the weekend and have barely been here.....

HoneyDragonWearingLederhosen · 29/05/2012 23:45

Sorry, phone cocked that up. Quiches don't stay in a group, posting on threads. Quiches are there own thread.

DukeHumfrey · 29/05/2012 23:46

This is ridiculous. Of course saying things like "I don't believe you" and "Interesting first post" are troll-hunting - at least the way you lot do it.

Go, go gadget MNHQDeleteButton.

RandomNumbers · 29/05/2012 23:50

BawdyStrumpet are you a namechanger?

BawdyStrumpet · 29/05/2012 23:51

Errr, yes. Is that allowed in these times?

RandomNumbers · 29/05/2012 23:53

Of course nc is allowed. I was just idly wondering, as you do.

Sorry, will haul arse orf to beddie, sleep beckons.

Night all

BawdyStrumpet · 29/05/2012 23:54

I haven't namechanged for evil purposes or anything.

lazymonkeyface · 29/05/2012 23:55

I dunno why you're getting defensive, she only asked.

I think we should all just go to bed

lazymonkeyface · 29/05/2012 23:56

Channels

Dammit! Proof I should be asleep

fluffiphlox · 29/05/2012 23:59

I've read a fair bit of this but have given up after 12 pages. My one thought is, as someone who has had a bit of a pasting on one occasion, but didn't report anything, is: how can you take anything on here as a personal attack when it is all anonymous? No one knows ME, they are acquainted with fluffiphlox. (I might name change actually as there are a few fluffs around.)

SconeInSixtySeconds · 30/05/2012 00:50

I miss the jolly japes and the ability to call a spade a fucking shovel. Wink

I do like the idea of 'hiding' comments deemed below the pale - it would help tremendously with the keeping of spreadsheets. I had some previously not very edifying discussions about transgender, some of which did get quite personal, but I didn't report because I am a grown up.

Perhaps what is qualified as a personal attack should be explicitly identified in the Talk Guidelines?

I can't believe I missed all the discussion of scones though Sad Sad Sad

CardyMow · 30/05/2012 00:50

Add me to the list too please.

HesterBurnitall · 30/05/2012 02:23

Justine, we don't all know that trolls thrive on any attention and therefore are excited by being 'caught'. It's a truism, but not a fact. Goading style trolls may well do, but the emotional vampire type trolls are seeking a specific sympathetic/empathetic reaction and often spit the dummy and leave if they're called on it.

When the troll-hunting policy was discussed and announced there were plenty of posters who pointed out this would make MN a target and a haven for trolls. I take your point that it's unpleasant for someone to be wrongly called a troll, but the current policy seems to have created a heightened atmosphere of frustration and suspicion, which is equally unpleasant for newbies and oldies alike.

I've asked this before, but would you consider refining your approach and guidelines? Sites evolve, surely the rules should too?

LtEveDallas · 30/05/2012 05:53

The thread that Shirley and Maryz linked to is the one I was deleted on for saying I thought the OP didn't want to listen. Confused

I also had the same experience as noonegoingtoeatyoureyes and have reported that type of post many times. One time here:www.mumsnet.com/Talk/forces_sweethearts/1298912-LOOK-SSAFAs-Big-Brew-Up-is-a-Featured-MN-Campaign interestingly MNHQ has a reply on the thread.

I don't understand the general point about things like that not being a personal attack. Surely if it feels like one...? I am open about being military, anyone that knows me knows that, and I've been able to help other MNers with specific issues on more than one occasion - including just this week.

Now I can only assume my post was deleted for being 'Goading' - it doesn't fit into any of the other rules. So why is something like I linked to 'not goading' ?

Please, I've dipped out of MN on a number of occasions over things like this, and deregged once back in the mists of time. But I don't WANT to go back to ArRSE nor NM. I like MN - but the rules make no sense

MrsSnaplegs · 30/05/2012 06:49

Eve - I missed that thread at the time - I think it was my busy period at work Smile
I agree with you how offensive and hurtful some of the anti forces posts are - hopefully you and I manage to hold in defending our jobs here although I don't see why we should have to - if we were doing the jobs we do out of uniform no one would bat an eye.
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MardyBra · 30/05/2012 08:17

Are you new, Justine?

BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 08:25

Grin @ MardyBra!

Hullygully · 30/05/2012 08:35

Vgd Mardy.

I don't think she is new tho, I think she's a NC.

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Maryz · 30/05/2012 08:38

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BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 08:38

One of the things that more 'experienced' MNetters can do, I believe, is help to warn others if we believe they are being sucked in by a troll. I've seen it happen many times. OP comes along with a sob story and suddenly there all manners of offers to help - sending food, clothes, money or even offering to meet the OP. Goodness only knows what manner of PMs are being sent.

And people do this because, for the most part, we are kind and generous people.

Which is what makes it all the more hurtful and shocking when the OP turns out to be a troll.

A post along the lines of 'welcome to Mumsnet' or 'I'm going to report this post ' ( exact words would obviously depend on context) serve as a reminder to people to think before they commit too much or in the wrong way.

OK, sometimes the OP may be genuine - but if they are, then they deal with that accusation usually very quickly and credibly. As long as the 'intervention' is not a personal attack (and is also accompanied by a report to MNHQ), then I think this is a good thing.

Especially as MNHQ can be very slow to act. I realise, Justine, that a lot of work gets done behind the scenes, and that you can't say anything on the thread until you can prove trolling, but sometimes (especially late at night or at the weekend) it does seem that you are even slower to act, thus potentially horrible trolls are left to wreak their havoc.

IMVHO there is a huge difference between one measured, questioning post and ongoing, vaguely hysterical troll-hunting posts - and I think MNHQ should be more discriminating about the posts that they delete in this regard.

Maryz · 30/05/2012 08:38

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Hullygully · 30/05/2012 08:42

Thought you had missed off a "y", Mary. Was most concerned.

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Maryz · 30/05/2012 08:45

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BIWItheBold · 30/05/2012 09:02

And and and - if a post along the lines of 'welcome to Mumsnet' gets deleted, it has been deleted because someone has reported it (give that we know that MNHQ are not reading all the posts on every thread).

I wonder who reports posts like that?

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