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Fathers 4 Justice and their recent attacks on Mumsnet

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JustineMumsnet · 17/03/2012 09:28

Some of you may have noticed that a group called Fathers 4 Justice has been saying some pretty unpleasant things about us over the last couple of weeks. In an 'advert' which appeared first on Facebook and then in yesterday's edition of the I, the group claims Mumsnet 'promotes gender hatred', and labels 'men and boys as rapists, paedophiles and wife beaters'. It calls on advertisers to suspend advertising on Mumsnet.

Most people, I'm quite sure, will see the adverts and the 'campaign' behind them for precisely what they are: a naked attempt to court publicity by a group of people who for whatever reason appear to have tired of climbing cranes in superhero outfits. (And, just coincidentally, in the run up to Mothers' Day). In fact it feels a bit like having a particularly irritating toddler repeatedly prodding you with a stick to get some attention.

By and large it seemed most sensible to ignore them, not least because we've had our hands quite full with stuff that actually matters, like Mumsnet's 'We believe you' campaign to dispel rape myths.

But since Fathers 4 Justice appear to have attracted some grown ups' attention, we thought we should tell you a bit about the background to this attack, the truth behind their allegations, and how they are trying to bully us and other organisations. Here are 10 things you should know.

  1. On March 3rd a Mumsnet user started a conversation about a poster campaign being touted on Mumsnet's Facebook wall by Fathers 4 Justice, and the fact that Fathers 4 Justice was bombarding a number of sites with this troubling image.
  1. A conversation then ensued on Mumsnet about Fathers 4 Justice and their tactics which some members of Fathers 4 Justice joined. Some Mumsnetters said some pretty harsh things.
  1. We deleted a number of posts that broke our forum guidelines regarding personal attacks. In total we deleted 70 posts from the thread which went on over the next few days and reached 1000 posts in total. 60 were posts were made by regular Mumsnet members, ten or so by new joiners from Fathers 4 Justice. Our community managers reminded users to follow forum guidelines on nine separate occasions and at least one prolific Mumsnetter left the site in protest at our deletion policy.
  1. On March 7th and March 8th MNHQ received a series of emails from the Campaign Director of Fathers 4 Justice containing threats of legal action and a threat to contact our advertisers. At the same time comments on the Fathers 4 Justice Facebook page describing Mumsnetters as 'barking mad harridans', 'weird sex obsessed paranoid perverts' and 'child abusing contact blockers' were left unmoderated. As were comments that described me variously as a 'dried up old hag', 'an evil woman' and having an 'IQ that would return a negative score'.
  1. On March 11th Fathers 4 Justice posted another attack ad this time accusing M&S of 'sponsoring hateful, bigoted and prejudiced comments about men and boys on Mumsnet' and demanding that M&S withdraw all advertising on Mumsnet or face a boycott. It accused the company of 'serving up gender hatred for Mother's Day'.
  1. Other organisations have experienced similar bullying tactics. In recent weeks Fathers 4 Justice have targeted the lone parents' support charity, Gingerbread, jamming up its telephone helplines. Senior NGO staff have told us they felt too intimidated to speak out against them.
  1. The suggestion that Mumsnet encourages gender hatred would be funny if it were not so offensive - and plain silly. The central aim of Mumsnet is to make parents' (mothers' and fathers') lives easier. There are many and varied opinions on the site and no one Mumsnet party line prevails, save for the view that we respect diverse opinion. We do not pre-moderate or vet comments made to our discussion boards of which there are around 30 000 every day. Men are and always have been extremely welcome on Mumsnet - we have a Dadsnet forum for Dads to talk directly with other men should they wish. We estimate that around 5-10% of our 2 million odd monthly users are men.

Of course you can always find plenty of Mumsnetters whinging about their male partners' shortcomings - more than there are whinging about their female partners' shortcomings - but generalisations are swiftly pounced on and we do not tolerate gender hatred, or any other kind of hatred for that matter (save maybe hatred of Fruitshoots). We encourage people to be civil and supportive and, in the main, most people are.

  1. Fathers 4 Justice campaigns for fathers to have access to their children following separation or divorce. Its founder, Matt O'Connor, says parents have 'fewer rights than a terrorist'. The organisation was temporarily disbanded in 2006 after it emerged that some of its members had plotted to kidnap Tony Blair's son Leo. Fathers 4 Justice boasts that it is 'the most controversial and high profile pressure group of modern times' but it has struggled to win public attention since abandoning its eye-catching tactic of scaling tall structures in superhero costumes. In recent weeks it has targeted Cafcass, the body responsible for protecting the rights of children in court proceedings, Gingerbread, the charity for single parents, (which it claimed supported 'the abuse of children') and Mumsnet. It has also, somewhat mysteriously, branded London 2012 'the fatherless games'.
  1. We believe that the issue of father's access to children is important and needs to be discussed. We understand that many Fathers 4 Justice campaigners are driven by intense personal anger over what they feel is injustice they have suffered in their own cases. But the recent actions the group have taken against Mumsnet and others constitute plain and simple bullying and intimidation and only harm its cause.
  1. Reading this, you may well already be spitting tacks by now. Please do remember that's precisely what Fathers 4 Justice want. If you post on the subject please keep it civil. We won't be bullied, but we don't want to be dragged into the mire either.

Many thanks.

OP posts:
fabwoman · 19/03/2012 21:22

You naughty, naughty woman!!

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 21:23

gizza Gypsy cream

notocrap3 · 19/03/2012 21:23

The Munters boycott breast milk ice cream

Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock
fabwoman · 19/03/2012 21:24

I can offer you a M&S marshmallow teacake, a digestive, a M&S raspberry puff or home made chocolate tart (made with M&S pastry case.)

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 21:24

< places three Gypsy Creams sideways in maw >

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 21:25

dipped in breast milk icecream

VivaLeBeaver · 19/03/2012 21:26

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SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 19/03/2012 21:27

ello ello ello, what do we have here then?

Well, this is interesting. The sun reports that back in 2007 Nadine O'Connor was served with a penal notice after she refused to let her ex-husband have contact with their daughter. I'm sure it was different in her case, unlike all those other evil spiteful child abusing women, she had a genuine reason for withholding contact, she had issues with the contact order.

notocrap3 · 19/03/2012 21:28

yeah anyone can set up a wordpress account its free and i encourage all my fellow munters to set one up here wordpress.com/

you can choose names like Munters4Justice Grin

BeerTricksPott3r · 19/03/2012 21:30

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suzy82 · 19/03/2012 21:30

I'm guessing it was because he liked to strip off and run around supermarkets - must be embarrassing for the kids Shock

notocrap3 · 19/03/2012 21:31

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VivaLeBeaver · 19/03/2012 21:32

SmellsLikeTeenStrop - Oh.my.god. Well done. That is totally hysterical.

Can you imagine if Nadine and Matt split up. I would pay good money to be a fly on the wall in any court hearing for access for their kid.

VivaLeBeaver · 19/03/2012 21:34

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Hassled · 19/03/2012 21:36

If they split up family lawyers would start emigrating en masse. It would be scary, scary shit :o.

AnyFucker · 19/03/2012 21:36

There must a name for having a penchant for willy-waving men. To keep picking those who have had their child access removed for willy-waving. Or summat.

fabwoman · 19/03/2012 21:36

I can't believe it hasn't been reported that he has had his hair cut Shock.

suzy82 · 19/03/2012 21:37

Perhaps he was referring to Nadine's hairstyle?

SmellsLikeTeenStrop · 19/03/2012 21:42

This isn't just hypocrisy, this is F4J hypocrisy.

Somebody had to do it :)

fabwoman · 19/03/2012 21:42

So she is even less newsworthy than him?!Shock

SophieNeveu · 19/03/2012 21:47

fathers4justine has gone now on wordpressGrin what does one doooo with a blog?

notocrap3 · 19/03/2012 21:48

Write Sophie Write! Write like the wind!

VivaLeBeaver · 19/03/2012 21:50

Well you can copy and paste the quotes from f4j fb page - the one where they are being horrible about women and commiting gender hate crimes.

notocrap3 · 19/03/2012 21:50

and on a more helpful note...link to all the fantastic articles the munters find on this issue...lets present our case. Take screenshots of silly comments, write poems, draw pictures...

I like smellslike's slogan This isn't just hypocrisy, this is F4J hypocrisy

Codandchops · 19/03/2012 21:51

LOVNG smellsliketeenstrop's link - especially the bit where Nadine said "I'm all in favour of contact but I have issues with the contact order in this particular case".

Er....so that would be like some of the women (and dare I say "men") on here then Nadine?

Okay - must hide these threads now - this pair are an absolute joke....then again there's nothing like light relief.