what the actual is that facebook like button doing there?

[CarolCervix]

has it always been there? or has it moved? and does that mean if someone 'likes' that thread it will be posted to their fb page?

@MardyStropAboutLikeButton

So, Helen, surely MNHQ anticipated that there would be reaction to the Facebook linking?

So why didn't they have someone available who can justify the decision?

As we posted earlier on, Mardy, no we didn't. Because we already had the Facebook linking on the Viewport bar. So it's not anything new; just an extra widget doing the same thing.

We knew a lot of people didn't like the idea of liking posts (see 5000 Site Stuff threads of yore) but that's different.

really? you didn't anticipate a fuss?

even though when the FB/twitter buttons were introduced there was a massive one, iirc. which lead to them being put into the viewport thingy, rather than next to each posters name/reportmessage/etc?

how many times have MNHQ introduced something and there not been an outcry of one sort or another?

tbh, if you weren't being disingenuous before, you certainly are now.

Actually I was once eating a cheese football and i dropped only to find it bounced on a like button on 'I've got a dirty secret.com' now that was awkward.

@MardyStropAboutLikeButton

I am getting more and more with the flippant responses tbh. MNHQ, please stop trying to divert the argument with asides about secret santas, tickers and the use of the word disingenuous, and answer the questions and concerns on this thread.

Oh, I'm not being flippant to try to divert you, Mardy. We're answering all the questions we can (sometimes several times over).

'Like' Frothing

I think she means thicko oiks like me Helen.

Just to clarify, MN may have had the FB like button for ages but the fact is a huge number of people, including me, did not realise that pressing a button which says "Like" means you are actually "Linking" to another site.

I don't have FB so it isn't an issue for me of revealing identities, more that MNHQ are encouraging and making easy the ability for people to shit stir and poke fun. This already happens, but why are MNHQ making it so easy?

"We're answering all the questions we can (sometimes several times over)."

Well as far as I can see, you've answered lots of questions about the use of the button in certain sections of MN, but not the overall decision. There have been lots of posts about how this increased presence on FB will bring the trolls and other idiots onto the site, but none of these concerns appear to have been addressed afaik.

To attract new members and increase traffic thus increasing advertising revenue and greater profits.

Helen - please can you clarify the following?

I thought we were getting and wanted a 'like' button that was at the top (where the add message| Report| Message Poster tab is) of a post so that if I liked what they'd said, I could like it. IYSWIM

I didn't know that the 'like' button would turn out to be used in the way it has.

My MN non Christmas nickname is very recognisable to my RL friends and family, something that I don't have a problem with. But is a MNer that I don't 'know', 'likes' a thread with my posts on, it appears then on their Facebitch page for all to see, doesn't it?

I have no control over that do I?

It might also attract non trolls and non idiots ,lots of normal people use fb

To attract new members and increase traffic thus increasing advertising revenue and greater profits.

Which means mumsnet will have to hire more people, and we'll all get jobs at MNHQ and drink tea.

And that's how mumsnet stopped the recession.

Norah
I agree that is the reason, and (at the risk of repeating myself), this is what I posted last night:

"OK, there is a delicate symbiosis going on here. We all like MN because it gives us a social outlet and allows us to remain relatively anonymous. MN needs posters who generate interesting or relevant threads to generate traffic and advertising revenue. think Nemo and anenome

Up until today, the two parties have co-existed relatively happily. But suddenly the symbiotic balance changes! One party provides a forum foc in exchange for hosting advertising. The other party provides the content. Suddenl nor party that they are going to get a better share of the deal - i.e. greater publicity - at the expense of the other party, who suddenly becomes more vulnerable.

Well, maybe it's time to shift the balance. I'm often a thread starter in Chat and Aibu. I'm one of MN's content providers who help to generate traffic. But, seriously, if my chat is a commodity that MN want to use to "go viral" and generate revenue, then I'm not sure I can be arsed."

Mousetail- you already don't have control over what happens to what you post in here. I could search your posting history and link the page to my fb page if I wanted, as could a journalist to their paper.

@MardyStropAboutLikeButton

"We're answering all the questions we can (sometimes several times over)."

Well as far as I can see, you've answered lots of questions about the use of the button in certain sections of MN, but not the overall decision. There have been lots of posts about how this increased presence on FB will bring the trolls and other idiots onto the site, but none of these concerns appear to have been addressed afaik.

Yes, we're addressing every issue that we can. What I can't do right now, given my minion status, is take any overall decision about the keeping/nuking of the button because that's not my decision to make.

Completely understand that this is hugely frustrating (and disingenuous-seeming ) for some of you but I'd like to keep my job it's the truth.

A bit at some of the nastiness and rudeness displayed here towards HelenMN. You do realise that it's a bit like punching someone who's got both hands tied behind their back, don't you? She representing MNHQ, she can't respond in kind.

Whatever you think about the damned button, you should keep the grotesque discourtesy to yourselves if you want anyone reading this to take what you say seriously.

youcandothecube

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A delicate symbiosis?! Aww, nice idea.

Helen, How about doing some 'manning-up' and 'growing a pair'? You could nuke the loathed FB button. Go On. If you got in a spot of bother we'd all back you up and support you, honest.
GoOnGoOnGoOnGoOn NukeItNukeItNukeItNukeItNukeItNukeItNukeItNukeIt GoOnGoOnGoonGoOnGoOn

ps. I wasn't being nasty - just using some stock MN phrases ?

Thanks CalmDown

I have been enjoying your work also

YouCanDoTheCube If that's aimed at me, I'm not having a go at Helen. I am frustrated with the situation that Helen is being left to field this debacle, and that is what I am trying to express. If it is appears that I am being rude, then I apologise. It is not what I intended.