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MNHQ, what the fuck were you doing...

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EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 06/06/2011 18:04

When this was going on? Seriously? There are obvious trolls and sock puppets on here harassing a vunerable OP. I'm ashamed of you.

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LeninGrad · 07/06/2011 12:45

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TheRhubarb · 07/06/2011 12:50

People are drawn in by thread titles. I've always said that posters should be given the option to change their thread title if they want.

Enoon · 07/06/2011 14:40

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ShirleyKnot · 07/06/2011 16:56

I'm just popping in here to say that the thread in question has just about finished me off on MN.

I can't be here while this sort of awful shit is going on. Everywhere I go on MN at the moment it's just people being really vile and I think it's either an invasion or possibly some sort of sea change in users.

LeninGrad · 07/06/2011 19:04

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fuckmepinkandcallmerosie · 07/06/2011 19:08

I actually agree with Shirley. There were threads a few weeks ago that almost had me leaving, I actually did request a de-reg but backed off from that, but this thread is just horrible and it's making me question the whole ethos of this place if horrible nasty crap is allowed to stand. Which it is. And yet I had much less offensive stuff deleted and was told that MN was a place to be supportive of parents and we weren't to be critical.

Doesn't seem like those rules apply across the boards in a fair and equivocal manner.

PinotGrigiosKittens · 07/06/2011 19:21

It's been 'wrong' to me since the McCann threads debacle.

fuckmepinkandcallmerosie · 07/06/2011 19:44

Pinot- it's the McCann threads I'm talking about.

fuckmepinkandcallmerosie · 07/06/2011 19:45

And for the record, I wasn't even critical in my posts, but got deleted anyway

PinotGrigiosKittens · 07/06/2011 20:06

Aha. Good minds think alike.

EvenLessNarkyPuffin · 08/06/2011 01:11

I'm glad MNHQ have at least noticed, but I think that they need to seriously re-evaluate how they have started to moderate the boards. It used to be that a degree of common sense was used, and that if a poster who had registered in the past couple of days started posting offensive, inflammatory shit they were treated as a troll and the thread was deleted and/or the poster banned. It was treated on a case by case basis and if regular, trusted posters reported a thread or poster it was taken seriously.

The one area that was never taken as seriously as it should have been was attacks on those with disabilities. The SN area of the board was repeatedly targeted by trolls and as it was (for protection) made opt in, a lot of the posters who usually jump in to challenge the fuckwits weren't aware it was even happening.

If MNHQ doesn't come up with some stronger responses to obvious trolling like this recent thread, the site will lose a lot of posters - as the SNs board did- and people will no longer feel able to post about sensitive issues.

There have been a lot of threads by people bemoaning the fact that AIBU and Chat dominate MN now, and that people post everything there now. The recent thread about attempted rape was posted in Relationships. That is not a topic for people seeking debate, it's about people asking for help. That MNHQ seems unwilling to stop even the most obvious and offensive trolling on such a sensitive subject makes me worried for the future of the site as a source of emotional support and advice. How many women do you think read that thread and realised that they would risk being interrogated if they posted on MN for help and advice? There are times when deleting on a post by post basis is a wholly inadequate response. I am saddened that MNHQ still haven't come up with a promise to stop this from happening again.

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Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 08/06/2011 01:29

I've been thinking about this all night (see? Emotional impact!) and I didn't want to revisit it - in fact I considered deregistering - but it's still in Active so I'm going to say what I've been saying in my head to Mumsnet all night, if that's okay. Re: actual harm. I'm talking about the rape thread, but I think everything I say can equally be applied to the disablity bashing.

I said upthread that I was a rape victim in not dissimilar circumstances, and that when rape apologists come on and say that it wasn't rape (to the OP) they are also saying it to me. And to countless others, some posting, some lurking. Because the thing is, I'm lucky. I have a feminist mother and good role models, I'm very well educated on rape and the law, I enjoy good mental health.

There is a poster on these boards who posts very infrequently, who I know MNHQ is aware of, who has some very serious depression and mental illness to the point where she expresses frequent suicidal ideation. Her history includes a rape when she was young followed by an abusive relationship. One of the holds on her that the abuser had, and still has despite the relationship ending, is that he has always told her that the rape was her fault. When she came on the boards, she had internalised that to the extent that she could not, for a long time, believe us when we told her it wasn't. The unanimous support she got helped her to stand up to the abusive ex and seek some help for the first time in her life. She now has an ongoing support thread here, which has been her lifeline on some very, very dark nights.

Now that was a classic 'stranger' rape, which tends to get more support. If it had been an 'acquaintance rape' scenario, and people had told her that it was her fault, those people would have been strengthening everything her abuser had always said. I'm glad that didn't happen.

But who knows what she reads now? It wouldn't surprise me at all if she reads all the Relationships rape threads. When I was in conscious recovery (by which I mean, after I'd stopped spending years thinking it didn't count, was my fault, etc., and started to educate myself on the issue), I read other people's stories over and over.

So you've got a woman, a rape victim, with suicidal thoughts and a huge amount of self-blame going on in her head, who is reading threads where people are saying that rape is over-reported, it's not real rape unless significant force is used, women ask for it with their behaviour. And those threads are allowed to stand, which means that Mumsnet, her lifeline, is condoning those attitudes.

That's an example of some real potential for real, actual harm done to a real person who is pretty reliant on this site. And that's just one person. Who knows how many lurkers there are?

So that's what I want Mumsnet to think about, please, not just the OP but the very numerous women on this site who have mental health issues, or who are struggling in poverty while benefit-bashing goes on, who are rape victims or have SN children or all of those things. There is some real, actual, potential for harm here. It's not just people like me who rant in our heads for a couple of days or put our hands over our bellies hoping that our daughters will have it better than us. It's people already on the brink, who rely on this place for support that they don't get elsewhere.

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ReadyToDrink · 08/06/2011 01:58

Totally agree, Tortoise. Well said.

thumbwitch · 08/06/2011 02:26

Excellent post, Tortoise.

MNHQ - you really DO have to take a sane and supportive stance on this; this isn't a political debate forum, it's a support forum. Yes it has a segment for political debate, but its primary function is to inform and support. Your refusal to do anything about these people's vile posts is far far far from supportive. Please sort it out asap.

Enoon · 08/06/2011 06:21

Tortoise, that's what I was trying to say, you said it much better.

Bucharest · 08/06/2011 06:47

Was also thinking the same re: the McCann threads, where nothing is allowed to be said, compared to some of the recent stuff, the rape threads, the termination threads, the sexualisation of children threads, the disablist threads.

Anything goes unless you're a McCann. I don't get it. Sad (and I feel nothing but sympathy for thembut seriously, wtf is happening here?)

Bumperlicioso · 08/06/2011 07:26

Well, the McCanns might sue, but some random poster isn't likely to.

I guess the difficulty is, if they pull the thread the op loses the support she sought. I'm not sure what the answer is but I am saddened by that thread.

LeninGrad · 08/06/2011 07:44

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RubberDuck · 08/06/2011 07:58

I just wanted to add to the voices to say that I agree, that should have been reigned in long before it was for all the reasons described above and more.

I appreciate that Mumsnet is a low moderation board (excluding some of the high profile litigious circumstances including SWMNBN and the McCanns) but I do feel that more attention should be given to different topics and their sensitivities.

Troll on AIBU or Chat, sure let it run and let the nest of vipers take care of it - we're good at that. Troll in sensitive areas like Relationships, SN boards, Feminism (thinking again particularly the rape threads) where they're clearly supposed to be support threads not debate threads should be stamped on fast and a separate thread for them to argue their point in more robust areas of the site encouraged. That's still allowing for free speech, but is also ring-fencing support areas where highly vulnerable people can get the help they need without having to deal with all the crap.

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