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Moving to Steiner for Secondary School from State Primary

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WKMum · 21/04/2010 11:05

Hello!

Advice sought from all you very knowledgeable Mums and Dads out there!

I realize I may be opening a can of worms with this post, but I have tried to make my way through the various other Steiner threads on MN and, despite their being very long and rambling, very few of the posts seem to address my particular situation, so please forgive me for starting up another debate.

I am posting this in the Secondary School thread, because I am not interested in the whole Steiner Early Years 'To Read Or Not To Read' debate.

My DD is eight years old and in Y3 at our local state primary school. She is strong at the more 'creative' subjects, such as writing and drama, but her maths is poor and she is in the 'lower set'. (Personally, I have an issue with the idea of 'streaming' children as young as seven, as I think it gives their confidence a terrible knock, and only serves to dint their interest in the subject even further - but that is another discussion!)

We live in a GS area, and a large number of the children at DD's school will go on to GS. My daughter's teacher has indicated, however, that she is unlikely to pass the 11+. (Information I was given, rather than requested.) Although I appreciate it is early to make this call, and nothing is set in stone, I am nonetheless currently exploring the other options.

The one aim I have for my DD is that she is happy in her secondary school. Academic achievement is not the 'be all and end all' in my opinion, and I am not inclined to have her intensely coached to pass the 11+, as I know a lot of people around here do, just so she can then be at the bottom of a very large pile of very bright/pushed kids, which I think would just undermine her confidence.

My preference for her would be a small, non-selective indie, in which she can feel comfortably average in most subjects and have enough one-to-one attention to be encouraged to reach her full potential in the subjects she enjoys.

With this in mind, DH and I went to see our local Steiner school. I was impressed by the ethos and the way the children seemed happy and engaged with what they were doing, and the teachers seemed relaxed but in control. The facilities were also good - theatre, sports hall, library etc.

As I understand it, Steiner schools do vary a lot, but I would be very interested to hear from any Steiner parents or pupils (former or current) who have experienced the transition from state primary school to Steiner school at age 11 (i.e. mid-way through the Steiner 'Lower School'). Was it a difficult transition to make - particularly given that you would be joining a class of children and teacher who have been together from the age of seven? Did the school feel very different from state primary? Better or worse?

Also, how did the school approach GCSEs and 'A' Level preparation within the Steiner methodology? Do you feel you had adequate help and encouragement without being pressured?

This will probably make me sound like a hippie - even though there is not an incense stick to be seen in my house! - but I am a great believer in 'the journey' being just as important as the destination, and I am worried about my DD's character being 'crushed' by what I see as the high-pressured environment of the current educational model favoured in most UK state schools.

However, should my DD wish to take exams when she is older and ready to make that decision for herself, I would want her to be adequately prepared. I'd love to know from anyone whether they think the Steiner method would work in this regard.

Thanks so much for reading this post. I apologise that it's rather long, but I wanted to try to make clear the sort of feedback/advice I am looking for.

Could I kindly ask everyone to please avoid posting potentially libelous comments on this thread, as I know this is a highly-emotive subject and do not want to get MN into any trouble.

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OurLadyOfPerpetualSupper · 30/04/2010 20:27

's okay WKM - none taken.
Sometimes it happens on MN that a thread touches a nerve or prompts a response in people, and the result can seem to be going off on a tangent.
FWIW, I don't get too deeply involved in discussing the 'Waldorf question' in great depth - partly because of my relatively feeble intellect and partly because of the strong emotions it engenders which I'd rather leave behind.
However, I'm deeply grateful that there are posters here who do have the intellectual capacity and the magnanamity of spirit to look into these matters on others' behalf, and long may they continue to do so.
The thread may continue along current lines, or it may end soon - don't feel obliged to keep coming back and thanking everyone; as you've been said, you've been given food for thought, to do with as you wish. < Thinks: does that make sense? >
< can't be bothered to check >
Best of luck.

restlessnative · 30/04/2010 20:32

WKMum - you should stay if you want to. mumsnet threads often morph into different ones altogether, can be interesting. People appear & take them off somewhere else - it's a democracy of opinionated (& outspoken) writers. It's not always easy to start a thread here, so good on you.

You're within your rights to maintain anything at all and no one has the right not to be offended, even if they don't agree with what you say. I can see that elements of some sites criticising Waldorf Steiner must seem pretty bizarre. But imo that's understandable. They're often discussing very odd concepts which almost need a new language! Sometimes 'balanced' is just nonsense, a failure to accept an uncomfortable truth. 'Cultish' is not a good word for a firmly held opinion, it implies a more sinister exclusivity & secrecy. Some of those people were just very distressed at the time of writing, some are angry & a few might be inappropriately malicious but that has nothing to do with the need to question the nature & reputation of these schools. It's just human.

It's a good thing, wouldn't you agree, that a few people with enormous brains, or actually just the right kind of curiosity about the question (& no more brainy than you or I) have taken the risk that you might take their passion for 'fervency' & their analysis for 'cult-like' devotion to an idea. If we really felt like that, every research scientist would be rejected for her pursuit of the truth & instead be praised for nonchalance.

iwillmarryharry123 · 22/02/2011 00:52

WKMUM!! If your daughter is unhappy at her state school, please DO try her at the steiner school. I am an ex-Steiner student myself (I left as my school ran out of classes..not out of choice. Trust me, if I could be taught in a Steiner school forever, I would never leave :D) and I have had a wholly positive experience. I moved to the school when I was eight, and moving late is really not an issue. Out of my class of seventeen, twelve joined between the ages of eight and fourteen.

Regarding PLANS (in case you have seen it) I have never seen anything so scary in my life. I don't know, it might apply to some schools, but from my experience of Steiner schools (and there is a fair amount of interaction between steiner schools - we do eurythmy performances for each other and there are the class five Olympics, for example) it's totally wrong. The website makes them seem far more cult-like and extremist than anything I have ever seen at a Steiner school.

Also, you don't have to start living by the Steiner ethos in your private life. It's perfectly possible to appreciate Steiner education without getting rid of you TV and buying all your food from Suma. By Class Five-ish that stuff doesn't really apply anyway, and the schools usually make it seem a much bigger deal in prospectuses and stuff than it really is. You're allowed to do what you like, really - just don't tell the kindergarten teacher :D

If your daughter is behind and unhappy at school, then I think you should seriously consider Steiner education - not because Steiner is for the less academically-capable, but because at a Steiner school the approach is different, and this usually means that those who were unhappy in state will excell, and find that science is combined with art and drama so that an understanding can be formed through a medium the child is comfortable with. I learnt maths through a story about King Twelve, and his loyal subjects Plus, Minus, Divide and Times. At my state primary school, I was in the lowest set for maths and my mother was told that I was probably discalculus. Since I joined Steiner I have never had a problem, and now am considering studying physics at university.

I believe that all children are capable of the same, it's just a matter of finding the right way to unlock their skills. Steiner may be the perfect way for your daughter, and I really think you should give it a try. If she is already unhappy and underachieving (just as I was) then you really have nothing to lose. If it's a disaster, then she can be moved back into a State school.

Hope I'm not too late - these threads are awful, they attract the two opposite extremes. I'm trying to be fairly balanced...I know that Steiner schools don't suit everyone. But I know they suit me, and I think they might suit you and your family.

justputitoff · 15/03/2017 12:42

Not much help with the secondary question as we are not there yet, but my daughter joined a steiner school aged six, having done nearly two years in state primary (where she was fine, we just moved areas and I didn't like the look of the nearby state schools). She is now nine, loves school, her teacher is dedicated to her (very poorly paid) work, and she seems to be covering much the same academic subjects as her peers in the state and independent sector, just in a more imaginative and engaging way. No tests, no homework, lots of outdoor space and time.
So far I have no complaints - so her teacher believes in gnomes....well, I encouraged my daughter to believe in fairies and Father Christmas, I am sure she will realise (if she doesn't already) that they are not real. I don't get why people get so hot under the collar about steiner schools. Any school can be crap, home schooling can be patchy, you can be bullied in a state or independent school, you can grow up and realise you hated your education wherever you were schooled. My advice is try her at the school, if she doesn't enjoy it, move, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Bundesliga · 15/03/2017 12:54

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nanettawoman · 29/06/2017 14:17

Why has gnomesrus comment been removed? They try to silence critics but they can't silence Ofsted who have done an excellent report revealing the truth about Rudolf Steiner School Kings Langley. reports.ofsted.gov.uk/inspection-reports/find-inspection-report/provider/ELS/117631

Dancergirl · 30/06/2017 14:59

Grim reading nanetta

Strawberrybubblebath · 30/06/2017 22:49

Annetta I notice you have resurrected numerous xombie threads on Steiner schools (this is the fifth one I have come across tonight) I am interested to know why. Are you an ex teacher/pupil? At a school in direct competition with a Steiner school? It would be interesting to know.

JasonUmbrellabird · 10/11/2021 22:24

Both my children were Steiner educated. I was worried for my first child when her neighbour's daughter who was 6 months older than her came back from school writing cursive and my daughter was writing one letter at a time. My daughter could barely read, but once she passed 7 she flew away with it and this year got a first class honors in history. My younger daughter got a distinction from Camberwell Art College. Ofsted are investigating and coming down hard on all Steiner schools at present because they have to tick boxes. Children shouldn't be put in boxes.

JasonUmbrellabird · 10/11/2021 22:29

Both my girls were accepted into the Brit school after a Steiner education aged 14. The headmaster asked 'do you have any more' he was so impressed, so there with big nobs on.

JaffavsCookie · 11/11/2021 21:43

Bloody hell @JasonUmbrellabird
You are resurrecting the zombie of a zombie.
Most of this thread is 11 years old!

Coronateachingagain · 11/11/2021 22:56

@JasonUmbrellabird

Both my children were Steiner educated. I was worried for my first child when her neighbour's daughter who was 6 months older than her came back from school writing cursive and my daughter was writing one letter at a time. My daughter could barely read, but once she passed 7 she flew away with it and this year got a first class honors in history. My younger daughter got a distinction from Camberwell Art College. Ofsted are investigating and coming down hard on all Steiner schools at present because they have to tick boxes. Children shouldn't be put in boxes.
The last part of your message is not true. Anyone reading this should research properly all the numerous issues with the Steiner schools - Ofsted reports will be enough (rather sad) reading but plenty more out there to muse on.
JasonUmbrellabird · 12/11/2021 09:12

Ofsted do not understand Steiner schools. Have you a problem with that statement?

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