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Withdraw child from religious studies

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Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 12:39

Hi!
I would like to find out about child withdrawal from religious studies in church school because I am not happy with the content they are teaching? Can you advice me if someone experienced it and are there any consequences? Thanks

OP posts:
StrongLikeMamma · 11/11/2025 08:22

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:15

Forcing a child into a religious framework removes their choice. True understanding comes from personal exploration, not mandatory instruction. I want my child to have the freedom to choose what they believe, not have it assigned to them

Don’t send them to a religious school then.
Do you not want them to be intelligent citizens of the world, who understand where others are coming from?

I’m really rather baffled by the desire to remain ignorant in this thread. And I’m an atheist.

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:39

StrongLikeMamma · 11/11/2025 08:22

Don’t send them to a religious school then.
Do you not want them to be intelligent citizens of the world, who understand where others are coming from?

I’m really rather baffled by the desire to remain ignorant in this thread. And I’m an atheist.

It is not a religious school. For me it is enough to know the name of the country where the person is from.

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:45

stichguru · 11/11/2025 07:10

Because religion is one of the fundamental things that motivates large groups of people to act as they do. Prompts people to make the decisions they do. Prompts people to fight or not fight, or to react to others in a certain way. If people had a better understanding of religon, we'd likely have many less wars. If people actually understood that they might believe something a different, but most people actually hold similar values even if they see God differently or don't see God as all. At some point your child's understanding of religion will very possible feed in to her choice as to who to vote for, what stand to take in the case of unrest, how to be respectful of other people. It's not about her believing, it's about her understanding a major force in the world.

True. This is why religion has endured as a powerful institution: it's far easier to manage a group through a shared set of rules and beliefs than it is to control individuals. In many ways, it functions as a highly successful, centuries-old business model built on this principle.

trynagenn · 11/11/2025 08:51

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:19

I can't share because it is dangerous to have an opinion here. For me there are three rules don't steal. Don't kill. Treat people like you wanted to be treated.
I believe we have to stiludy something better. But this is my opinion. My child is asking to be withdrawn. And i am trying to do this. Tbh even ready to go to another country but this time will explore before going.

It isn't dangerous to have an opinion, but if it is not an intelligent opinion then it will be challenged. In RE, you children would be encouraged to express their own opinions whilst also learning to listen to other opinions respectfully and to compare and contrast them.

TheLivelyRose · 11/11/2025 08:55

Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 14:21

We chose a faith school as education and behaviour is slightly better than in normal school.

The hypocrisy is astonishing.

Tiswa · 11/11/2025 08:55

They will learn about religion in history (Crusades are a big thing)

RS is teaching a doctrine to believe it it is studying factually the religions that exist. I don’t get what the issue with that is

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:56

trynagenn · 11/11/2025 08:51

It isn't dangerous to have an opinion, but if it is not an intelligent opinion then it will be challenged. In RE, you children would be encouraged to express their own opinions whilst also learning to listen to other opinions respectfully and to compare and contrast them.

This conversation is no longer productive. You seem unwilling to consider any perspective but your own, and I have the right to disagree. I will not be continuing this discussion.

trynagenn · 11/11/2025 09:00

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:56

This conversation is no longer productive. You seem unwilling to consider any perspective but your own, and I have the right to disagree. I will not be continuing this discussion.

That's untrue. Posters have asked for your reasons, and you haven't given them.

This is why your children need RE - it encourages open dialogue and the respectful debate of opinions.

LIZS · 11/11/2025 09:34

trynagenn · 11/11/2025 09:00

That's untrue. Posters have asked for your reasons, and you haven't given them.

This is why your children need RE - it encourages open dialogue and the respectful debate of opinions.

Exactly, in RS facts are used a vehicle for debate and discussion, not advocating didactic rights and wrongs. These develop critical thinking skills and a cultural framework which can inform other humanity subjects. I suspect @JulietKa is not a native English speaker so words like “ignorant” take on a more literal, insulting even, meaning than intended.

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 09:40

LIZS · 11/11/2025 09:34

Exactly, in RS facts are used a vehicle for debate and discussion, not advocating didactic rights and wrongs. These develop critical thinking skills and a cultural framework which can inform other humanity subjects. I suspect @JulietKa is not a native English speaker so words like “ignorant” take on a more literal, insulting even, meaning than intended.

Yes i am not native speaker but i can communicate in 7 languages.

Thatcannotberight · 11/11/2025 09:40

RE is a bit strange in the UK. My son's school don't even offer a GCSE in it. One of his lessons had a list of famous people with a very selective biography about each one, and they had to put them in Good, Bad or whatever category comes between those two absolutes.
DS chose to put JK Rowling in the good column, for her writing and philanthropic/charitable endeavours. He was roundly castigated by the teacher because she'd made a " series of transphobic tweets on Twitter and how would that make their trans students feel?" There are no trans students in his year, and no children were aware of any activity on Twitter until the teacher gave his very biased opinion.

Ratafia · 11/11/2025 09:41

Skybluepinky · 09/11/2025 11:03

Strange to choose a church school then not want them to do RE sounds like a high ranking school and you wanted to play the system.

I suspect OP was keen on her child doing RE until she realised that they weren't going to pander to her prejudices.

Loopylalalou · 11/11/2025 09:42

Now in my late sixties I was excluded for all RE throughout my schooling due to a strict catholic upbringing.
I had a great hole in my understanding of the world, something rectified in my 20s.
I’d ask you to consider whether you really do want to force your child to unquestionably accept your personal beliefs or whether you want a child to be able to effectively operate in a very multi-cultural world?

trynagenn · 11/11/2025 10:11

Thatcannotberight · 11/11/2025 09:40

RE is a bit strange in the UK. My son's school don't even offer a GCSE in it. One of his lessons had a list of famous people with a very selective biography about each one, and they had to put them in Good, Bad or whatever category comes between those two absolutes.
DS chose to put JK Rowling in the good column, for her writing and philanthropic/charitable endeavours. He was roundly castigated by the teacher because she'd made a " series of transphobic tweets on Twitter and how would that make their trans students feel?" There are no trans students in his year, and no children were aware of any activity on Twitter until the teacher gave his very biased opinion.

That sounds like poor practice from one teacher.

The Government's proposal to make RE part of the National Curriculum should help to standardise provision, provided the various stakeholders can agree on a syllabus.

CarpetKnees · 11/11/2025 22:49

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 08:15

Forcing a child into a religious framework removes their choice. True understanding comes from personal exploration, not mandatory instruction. I want my child to have the freedom to choose what they believe, not have it assigned to them

But we aren't talking about anyone doing that.

We are talking about attending RE lessons in school.
Which, as many posters have tried to explain to you are definitely not forcing anyone into any framework. People have even linked to the curriculum for you, but it seems your mind is made up without actually considering the facts.
Total prejudice being demonstrated right there.

JulietKa · 11/11/2025 23:05

CarpetKnees · 11/11/2025 22:49

But we aren't talking about anyone doing that.

We are talking about attending RE lessons in school.
Which, as many posters have tried to explain to you are definitely not forcing anyone into any framework. People have even linked to the curriculum for you, but it seems your mind is made up without actually considering the facts.
Total prejudice being demonstrated right there.

I saw curriculum. I am not happy with it. It is a waste of time. They are trying to sell me snow in winter. If you want to sell me something sell something good which i can use in my life. Even karate is more productive than re.
Karate (or other martial arts) develops:
· Self-confidence
· The ability to quickly assess threats
· Self-control and discipline
· Physical safety - which is very relevant in the modern world

LIZS · 12/11/2025 09:05

Bizarre comparison. Karate won’t help you pass gcses and A levels! (Unless PE) However thinking of RS as intellectual Karate - critical thinking skills, constructing rational arguments and influencing others, understanding cultural and religious differences and how that affects world events, politics and societies.

spanieleyes · 12/11/2025 14:16

Why is RE any more a waste of time than many other subjects? I’ve never yet found a use for the wonky dolls bed I made in DT and my artwork generally ended up in the bin! At least RE teaches critical thinking, an understanding and perhaps even an acceptance of other people’s viewpoints, there are worse subjects to get your knickers in a twist over!

Breathejustbreathe01 · 12/11/2025 14:45

I studied RE right up to A level. I am an atheist. The crossovers with history, philosophy, literature, etc make it so interesting. I dont understand why you'd object to learning about it anymore than you'd object to learning about history or other countries or any other subject that doesn't completely align to your day to day experiences. I found it absolutely fascinating.

JulietKa · 12/11/2025 16:20

spanieleyes · 12/11/2025 14:16

Why is RE any more a waste of time than many other subjects? I’ve never yet found a use for the wonky dolls bed I made in DT and my artwork generally ended up in the bin! At least RE teaches critical thinking, an understanding and perhaps even an acceptance of other people’s viewpoints, there are worse subjects to get your knickers in a twist over!

I accept your viewpoint without RE. But you somehow with RE probably being taught at school doesn't accept mine. That's the difference. Because I am not a comfortable person and you can't stand this. Why do you care at all what me and my child want at all. It is only our headache. No?

Tiswa · 12/11/2025 16:28

JulietKa · 12/11/2025 16:20

I accept your viewpoint without RE. But you somehow with RE probably being taught at school doesn't accept mine. That's the difference. Because I am not a comfortable person and you can't stand this. Why do you care at all what me and my child want at all. It is only our headache. No?

What don’t you like about it? It introduces different religions and explores and looks at their beliefs and how that links to philosophy and ethics and looking at all different views to form their own opinions

whether religion is good is discussed and how it has grown and what its role as well as moral debates from a religious and ethical perspective

it is excellent actually as I said at promoting critical thinking, using evidence to construct arguments and how to write a decent essay. It teaches about diversity and cultural traditions etc

it isn’t bible study at all

JulietKa · 12/11/2025 17:10

Tiswa · 12/11/2025 16:28

What don’t you like about it? It introduces different religions and explores and looks at their beliefs and how that links to philosophy and ethics and looking at all different views to form their own opinions

whether religion is good is discussed and how it has grown and what its role as well as moral debates from a religious and ethical perspective

it is excellent actually as I said at promoting critical thinking, using evidence to construct arguments and how to write a decent essay. It teaches about diversity and cultural traditions etc

it isn’t bible study at all

Let me just agree and the conversation will be over. I don't have a desire to proof that the grass is green.

MollyMollyMandy33 · 12/11/2025 17:33

ginasevern · 05/10/2025 17:14

@YesJs "I’m a teacher and, yes, it depends on the size of the animal. A hamster = very small sin, a buffalo = much larger sin. You are right to withdraw if someone is telling your child having sex with a buffalo is a little, not a larger sin."

OK. So could you expand somewhat on the context. I'm struggling to comprehend that children are taught about bestiality and I'm struggling even more with the concept of graduated sin according to the size of the animal. What religion propagates this abominable idea? I don't think the problem here is whether sex with a buffalo is worse than sex with a hamster and I'm utterly staggered that you seem to think that's the main issue. If this is genuinely the case I'm not surprised OP wants to withdraw her child. Bestiality is completely illegal in the UK.

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spanieleyes · 12/11/2025 17:45

JulietKa · 12/11/2025 16:20

I accept your viewpoint without RE. But you somehow with RE probably being taught at school doesn't accept mine. That's the difference. Because I am not a comfortable person and you can't stand this. Why do you care at all what me and my child want at all. It is only our headache. No?

Well,if it’s only about what you and your child want, why bother posting? I “ care” because you have posted on a public forum and people are allowed to disagree, discuss and advise, that’s what the forums are for. And I can “ stand” pretty much anything!
Furthermore, even if I have since found no use for art or DT, I still did them because, even if I couldn’t see the need, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one!

JulietKa · 12/11/2025 18:13

spanieleyes · 12/11/2025 17:45

Well,if it’s only about what you and your child want, why bother posting? I “ care” because you have posted on a public forum and people are allowed to disagree, discuss and advise, that’s what the forums are for. And I can “ stand” pretty much anything!
Furthermore, even if I have since found no use for art or DT, I still did them because, even if I couldn’t see the need, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one!

I asked and i got an answer. For me it is more than enough. If we have not right to withdraw then we will look for another country as simply as that. We are not tied.
We don't care where to pay taxes and where to live.
For me it is not a problem if someone is an atheist or whatever, you can be 100 times atheist i have nothing to do with it. It is your life. You can be whatever you want.
So i got an answer and i don't need any persuasion or to justify why we don't want.