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Withdraw child from religious studies

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Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 12:39

Hi!
I would like to find out about child withdrawal from religious studies in church school because I am not happy with the content they are teaching? Can you advice me if someone experienced it and are there any consequences? Thanks

OP posts:
MySaintedPuppy · 05/10/2025 15:40

@ParentOfOne I’m not asking if they were ‘true Christians’. I’m asking if they were Christian.

Most people when asked are either practicing A, B or C, or- and probably most commonly- ‘I don’t really believe in God/that sort of thing/church’.

Most people these days don’t want a Christian funeral. Most people don’t want to go to church. Assuming people are Christian because they were born in the UK is really odd. Most people are not.

ParentOfOne · 05/10/2025 15:50

@Uggbootsforever Your text comprehension skills are shockingly poor.

Interesting that you’re accusing me of being far right

Where on earth would I have done that? I pointed out that Christianity was used to unite the far-right. I never accused you of being far-right!!!

to protect a homophobic OP who wants her kid to be banned from learning about consensual, legal same sex relationships..

protect the OP???
You must have missed my reply:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/secondary/5422242-withdraw-child-from-religious-studies?reply=147615589&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share
where I scolded the OP, and told her that, if she doesn't want her kids exposed to different worldviews, then this is the wrong country for her.

A tip for the future: before accusing people, maybe read what they had written?

No Reform voter I know attends church.
Irrelevant. the fact remains that Christianity was used to unite the far right.

@MySaintedPuppy I’m not asking if they were ‘true Christians’. I’m asking if they were Christian.

Oh, it's quite possible that you have a different definition of Christian, but, again, the fact, however unpleasant for you, remains that Christianity was used to unite the far right. Read my previous link

Figgygal · 05/10/2025 15:51

Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 14:21

We chose a faith school as education and behaviour is slightly better than in normal school.

Then you're a huge hypocrite OP.
I'm as atheist as they come but see the value in the full curriculum and exposure to different beliefs and religions as its key in understanding the people around us.

Uggbootsforever · 05/10/2025 15:55

ParentOfOne · 05/10/2025 15:50

@Uggbootsforever Your text comprehension skills are shockingly poor.

Interesting that you’re accusing me of being far right

Where on earth would I have done that? I pointed out that Christianity was used to unite the far-right. I never accused you of being far-right!!!

to protect a homophobic OP who wants her kid to be banned from learning about consensual, legal same sex relationships..

protect the OP???
You must have missed my reply:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/secondary/5422242-withdraw-child-from-religious-studies?reply=147615589&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share
where I scolded the OP, and told her that, if she doesn't want her kids exposed to different worldviews, then this is the wrong country for her.

A tip for the future: before accusing people, maybe read what they had written?

No Reform voter I know attends church.
Irrelevant. the fact remains that Christianity was used to unite the far right.

@MySaintedPuppy I’m not asking if they were ‘true Christians’. I’m asking if they were Christian.

Oh, it's quite possible that you have a different definition of Christian, but, again, the fact, however unpleasant for you, remains that Christianity was used to unite the far right. Read my previous link

Then I apologise, you’re quite right. But your analogy re Christian mobs is wrong.

JLou08 · 05/10/2025 15:55

Why would you want your child to miss any education in secondary school? They will soon (if not doing so already) have access to all types of views that will be presented as fact on the Internet. Let them learn some critical thinking skills in a safe space where you are aware of what they are being taught and can discuss it with them yourself.

redemptionwoes · 05/10/2025 15:58

Pretty sure no faith school - not sure about Muslim one perhaps - are allowed to teach that same sex relationships are a sin….

what you will find however is that some of these more ….religiously controversial (?) topics are discussed in the round but there isn’t a woke slant to the curriculum that focuses on them

CarpetKnees · 05/10/2025 16:02

Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 14:21

We chose a faith school as education and behaviour is slightly better than in normal school.

Following this post, then clearly YABVVVVU

Initially, I had presumed your dc were only able to attend a faith school due to distance from where you lived. The fact you actively chose for them to attend a faith school then want to object to the teaching of that faith makes you massively unreasonable.

I mean, YABU anyway, as learning about what other folk believe and why arious people do certain things massively helps understanding of others and living harmoniously. The RE curriculum encourages critical thinking, and a lot of it is to do with Philosophy and ethics too - all of which is valuable learning.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/10/2025 16:05

Peoplepleaserincrisis · 05/10/2025 14:23

Wait? They actually said in RE that having sex with an animal is "a small sin"?

I can't imagine that being in any religious education curriculum!

Neither can I!
Which religion says this?

YesJs · 05/10/2025 16:06

redemptionwoes · 05/10/2025 15:58

Pretty sure no faith school - not sure about Muslim one perhaps - are allowed to teach that same sex relationships are a sin….

what you will find however is that some of these more ….religiously controversial (?) topics are discussed in the round but there isn’t a woke slant to the curriculum that focuses on them

EVERYONE IS READING THIS WRONG!!!

op believes same sex marriage is a sin. The school is teaching it isn’t…..

Mischance · 05/10/2025 16:12

Withdraw them from worship.

Let them learn about all religions - that is the nature of RE under the curriculum.

Why worry about exams - just don't do GCSE RE.

Ubertomusic · 05/10/2025 16:37

Uggbootsforever · 05/10/2025 15:36

No Reform voter I know attends church. I’m RC and the congregation is overwhelmingly Polish, Philippino, Nigerian and Eastern European.

Interesting that you’re accusing me of being far right to protect a homophobic OP who wants her kid to be banned from learning about consensual, legal same sex relationships..

Oh but homosexuality is surely a sin in RC? Is RC homophobic?

DiscoBob · 05/10/2025 16:45

Uggbootsforever · 05/10/2025 15:33

‘Affiliated with’

Is this even a thing? Either you’re a Christian or you’re not? You’re just making it up because you have a point to prove.

It's the kind of phrasing you get in market research surveys. It's trying to capture people who might not consider themselves devoutly religious I guess.

But I'll rephrase it if you want?

Ubertomusic · 05/10/2025 16:52

Barneybagpuss · 05/10/2025 14:52

Homosexuality was very common in the ancient world. The issue comes from a quote in Leviticus which could have several meanings

You forgot Sodom, Genesis comes before Leviticus.

There is no ambiguity about male homosexuality in the Bible.

LIZS · 05/10/2025 16:56

Mischance · 05/10/2025 16:12

Withdraw them from worship.

Let them learn about all religions - that is the nature of RE under the curriculum.

Why worry about exams - just don't do GCSE RE.

Some faith schools make RS gcse compulsory.

EllatrixB · 05/10/2025 17:03

Starting to think this thread might have been started somewhat in bad faith (ironically).

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 05/10/2025 17:05

EllatrixB · 05/10/2025 17:03

Starting to think this thread might have been started somewhat in bad faith (ironically).

Quite.

Ubertomusic · 05/10/2025 17:10

EllatrixB · 05/10/2025 17:03

Starting to think this thread might have been started somewhat in bad faith (ironically).

It's clearly a wind-up, I haven't heard about teaching about sex with animals in RE?

Soontobe60 · 05/10/2025 17:11

Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 13:49

Thanks, the child is aware that some information is not true and going against her views and beliefs. But if you remove the child from part of the lesson how it will affect on exam or it will be specially arranged with some topic exclusion?

RE is about understanding different religions. It’s not about forcing a particular view on children. I find it very sad that parents would choose to prevent their child from learning how other children practice their faith.

ginasevern · 05/10/2025 17:14

@YesJs "I’m a teacher and, yes, it depends on the size of the animal. A hamster = very small sin, a buffalo = much larger sin. You are right to withdraw if someone is telling your child having sex with a buffalo is a little, not a larger sin."

OK. So could you expand somewhat on the context. I'm struggling to comprehend that children are taught about bestiality and I'm struggling even more with the concept of graduated sin according to the size of the animal. What religion propagates this abominable idea? I don't think the problem here is whether sex with a buffalo is worse than sex with a hamster and I'm utterly staggered that you seem to think that's the main issue. If this is genuinely the case I'm not surprised OP wants to withdraw her child. Bestiality is completely illegal in the UK.

YesJs · 05/10/2025 17:15

ginasevern · 05/10/2025 17:14

@YesJs "I’m a teacher and, yes, it depends on the size of the animal. A hamster = very small sin, a buffalo = much larger sin. You are right to withdraw if someone is telling your child having sex with a buffalo is a little, not a larger sin."

OK. So could you expand somewhat on the context. I'm struggling to comprehend that children are taught about bestiality and I'm struggling even more with the concept of graduated sin according to the size of the animal. What religion propagates this abominable idea? I don't think the problem here is whether sex with a buffalo is worse than sex with a hamster and I'm utterly staggered that you seem to think that's the main issue. If this is genuinely the case I'm not surprised OP wants to withdraw her child. Bestiality is completely illegal in the UK.

Oh wow.

catndogslife · 05/10/2025 17:15

Perhaps the best course of action OP if you are unhappy with the teaching of RS in a faith school that you have chosen, would be to transfer your child to a non-faith secondary school.
Most faith schools expect parents to be fully supportive of the school's values and do not allow parents to withdraw their children from RS lessons, or collective worship or from taking the (usually compulsory faith schools) RS GCSE on the grounds that the parents have chosen a faith school.

arcticpandas · 05/10/2025 17:16

YesJs · 05/10/2025 16:06

EVERYONE IS READING THIS WRONG!!!

op believes same sex marriage is a sin. The school is teaching it isn’t…..

I think the OP has to home school and then keep her child at home with no wifi connection because she might hear about other viewpoints than the OP's🙄

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/10/2025 17:20

Parentofachild · 05/10/2025 14:18

What about same sex marriages it is not a sin but is normal. Or what about that it is a small sin if you have sex with an animal. In particular I am not happy with family and relationships section.

I did 14 years of Catholic school, never did we cover sex with an animal.😵‍💫 You need to speak to the HT @Parentofachild.

nowinetimeforme · 05/10/2025 17:37

Ddakji · 05/10/2025 14:37

Yes, but a faith school will teach things slightly differently, as is their prerogative.

What the OP wants is the excellent teaching that faith schools often have without paying for it but without buying into the overall ethos of the school.

Isn’t this what everyone wants 😂

kidding, fwiw I think the OP made her choices and now she’d be better off chatting to her kids about the bits she finds disagreeable rather than removing her child.

mostlydrinkstea · 05/10/2025 17:40

Ubertomusic · 05/10/2025 16:52

You forgot Sodom, Genesis comes before Leviticus.

There is no ambiguity about male homosexuality in the Bible.

Sodom is about hospitality not sexuality. The word homosexuality doesn’t appear in English until the 19th century. Culture and context are important. The wold of the Bronze Age as remembered in the exile is not the UK or US in the 21st century.

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