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GCSE in year admission in Harrow

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 03:06

For a kid starting their GCSE year, can he/she travel from Europe and join an English Government run school a month before GCSE exams. Does the Government/Council have a "duty of care" which requires them to place the kid in a school and get them to take thir GCSE exams?

Is there any cut off deadline that the kid must be in a school by say December, for them to take their GCSE exams?

Happy to read legislation myself. If someone here has Administrative experience in a Council with admissions, would love to hear from them. The council for the kid will be Harrow.

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RampantIvy · 15/09/2025 21:45

TheHazelCritic · 15/09/2025 21:18

You can apply now, beginning of year 11,and if no one accept you you need to contact your local authority and they have to find your child a place.
Or you can give the exam privately, just go to an exam centre that offers Gcses and choose those rather than iGCSEs

Given that the child will have been studying iGCSE syllabi if they are not in the UK and will likely have studied different topics with in each subject it seems like the child is going to be set up to fail or do rather badly.

The whole idea is badly thought out and pointles.

I think @SuratNuJaman thinks that all 16 year olds sit exactly the same exams everywhere. They don't.

hockeygrass · 15/09/2025 21:48

I wonder if the OP is considering a degree apprenticeship at somewhere like Goldman Sachs where there are 800 applications for 8 places.

Summmeeerrrrisherenearly030933939 · 15/09/2025 21:53

@SuratNuJaman it’s worth considering the cut off for GCSE registration as well….

For the Summer 2026 exam series, the deadline for all GCSEs is Friday, 21 February 2026, for most UK exam boards like AQA and Pearson.

So your DC would need to be on roll before then

LIZS · 15/09/2025 21:57

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/09/2025 21:39

If they're actually in the country. No obligation to offer a place to somebody who isn't here unless they're a Service Child where the parents have a new posting confirmed and new address to boot.

Presumably parents would be prepared to lie about dc being in the country and out of education to get a place, since they seem so comfortable gaming the system anyway. Plan might fall down if they received an offer with only a week or two to appear. Presumably the plan is such that they complete tuition where they are, move then sit exams in UK at lower performing state school. However many state schools expect pupils to attend timetabled lessons until GCSE exams start mid May, so they won’t get off that easily if enrolled at Easter or before.

Comefromaway · 15/09/2025 21:59

Others have answered the “duty of care” question but I’d like to point out that any programme won’t be interested in a state sat GCSE, they will want to know where the child has been educated since the age of 11.

we moved our son from a private school to state at age 13 (due to Sen & the school being dreadful) but this had to be declared on college & cascapplications.

HarrietBond · 15/09/2025 22:03

I find it depressing that people are looking to undermine a scheme set up in an attempt to level what remains a very uneven playing field (whatever some might say). And I say that with some confidence without knowing the exact details of what field/institution we’re talking about.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 15/09/2025 22:18

LIZS · 15/09/2025 21:57

Presumably parents would be prepared to lie about dc being in the country and out of education to get a place, since they seem so comfortable gaming the system anyway. Plan might fall down if they received an offer with only a week or two to appear. Presumably the plan is such that they complete tuition where they are, move then sit exams in UK at lower performing state school. However many state schools expect pupils to attend timetabled lessons until GCSE exams start mid May, so they won’t get off that easily if enrolled at Easter or before.

DS did his GCSEs this summer. At his (state) school Y11 are expected to attend lessons right up to half term ie: for the first 2 or 3 weeks of exams. Study leave only starts in June.

OccasionalHope · 15/09/2025 22:28

I would like to know what the programme is, and the obscure professsion, as I feel fairly sure the DC will have other ways in.

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:16

Dearover · 15/09/2025 19:31

This is probably the article the OP thinks is disadvantaging "the kid". Poor thing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ez3v9v8jqo

There you go. For all the posters here. If this situation existed post-Industrial revolution, Britain would not have had an empire.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:22

TeenToTwenties · 15/09/2025 15:06

Maybe the parents should whistle-blow the process if they have any evidence of skullduggery.

No, why would they? This loses them other advantages which the algo has selection criteria which can be adjusted.

For anyone interested, a s ex ier story is

"Michael Schumacher 1994 Benetton launch control"

Though cheating, hidden software options gave Schuey the edge (or did it).

In day to day life the parents have key knowledge in software where algorithms are being twisted to give advantage. Just that this is difficult to prove and is a domain controlled by low level techies, and can be very hard to penetrate.

I refer again to the example I give "Person applies for 300 jobs and does not receive one reply". Because the computer say no.

Here the parents have a method to cajole the computer to say yes.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:23

OccasionalHope · 15/09/2025 22:28

I would like to know what the programme is, and the obscure professsion, as I feel fairly sure the DC will have other ways in.

The "other ways" have been taken care of.

Even this algo hiccup if can be taken care of, will be done.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:25

HarrietBond · 15/09/2025 22:03

I find it depressing that people are looking to undermine a scheme set up in an attempt to level what remains a very uneven playing field (whatever some might say). And I say that with some confidence without knowing the exact details of what field/institution we’re talking about.

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Correct, the world is unfair

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:28

Comefromaway · 15/09/2025 21:59

Others have answered the “duty of care” question but I’d like to point out that any programme won’t be interested in a state sat GCSE, they will want to know where the child has been educated since the age of 11.

we moved our son from a private school to state at age 13 (due to Sen & the school being dreadful) but this had to be declared on college & cascapplications.

Here the post GCSE world has been mapped out. It is just this GCSE from a State School which is the point.

Some on this thread have alluded to "Gaming the system to save ~£3000 of private GCSE fees". Actually, if anyone knows of a way that the parents can pay the council ~£3000 and kid gets to sit GCSE exams then it is win win. The kid will not attend one day of school and thus no additional school resources will be used. And Council will make a profit as I am sure that the cost billed to council from the various boards for exams is less than £1500 per kid.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:30

Summmeeerrrrisherenearly030933939 · 15/09/2025 21:53

@SuratNuJaman it’s worth considering the cut off for GCSE registration as well….

For the Summer 2026 exam series, the deadline for all GCSEs is Friday, 21 February 2026, for most UK exam boards like AQA and Pearson.

So your DC would need to be on roll before then

Thank you so much, now parents know an exact date.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:32

hockeygrass · 15/09/2025 21:48

I wonder if the OP is considering a degree apprenticeship at somewhere like Goldman Sachs where there are 800 applications for 8 places.

No. But to get into GS, the ways are probably more unfair then suggested on this thread. I can recommend and excellent book, Liar's Poker by Michael Lewis, the first chapter deals with his entry into Goldmans.

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MaxineHarper · 16/09/2025 05:18

Muchtoomuchtodo · 15/09/2025 10:26

I was thinking that English possibly isn’t their first language. Perhaps I’m being too kind though.

For sure the OP doesn’t have English as a first language. I wonder if “the kid” does. The OP seems to think they can find a loop hole for a privately educated child and and make it appear that they’re state educated. But even if that circumvents the “computer algorithm”, when it gets to human review, the loop hole will closed and the applicant will be rejected.

OP, you should have thought about this earlier, and since you didn’t, you now need to follow the rules and think about what is best for your child and not trying to scam a system just because you’ve decided that your entitled.

HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 05:38

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:25

Correct, the world is unfair

I’d suggest extremely unfair if this naive effort to circumvent the requirements works. But googling how to enter a child privately for GCSE exams will take you five seconds; that part at least remains accessible to anyone with more money than most of us.

The current unfairness is of course to the ultimate detriment of society. Not something for you to worry about.

pinkdelight · 16/09/2025 05:58

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 04:16

There you go. For all the posters here. If this situation existed post-Industrial revolution, Britain would not have had an empire.

Christ, can people stop helping this person now? They’re beyond help.

BreakingBroken · 16/09/2025 06:16

@pinkdelight beyond help and much better English on their other threads.

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 06:24

MaxineHarper · 16/09/2025 05:18

For sure the OP doesn’t have English as a first language. I wonder if “the kid” does. The OP seems to think they can find a loop hole for a privately educated child and and make it appear that they’re state educated. But even if that circumvents the “computer algorithm”, when it gets to human review, the loop hole will closed and the applicant will be rejected.

OP, you should have thought about this earlier, and since you didn’t, you now need to follow the rules and think about what is best for your child and not trying to scam a system just because you’ve decided that your entitled.

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No human review in this case. Too short staffed and have removed human review to "remove bias", the computer is king.

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SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 06:25

HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 05:38

I’d suggest extremely unfair if this naive effort to circumvent the requirements works. But googling how to enter a child privately for GCSE exams will take you five seconds; that part at least remains accessible to anyone with more money than most of us.

The current unfairness is of course to the ultimate detriment of society. Not something for you to worry about.

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The parents know how to take exams privately for GCSE. The question is "how to take it through state system by enrolling as close to exam time as possible".

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HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 06:25

So whatever very important thing this is has no human input whatsoever into selection? 🤔

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 06:25

pinkdelight · 16/09/2025 05:58

Christ, can people stop helping this person now? They’re beyond help.

Thank you.

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HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 06:26

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 06:25

The parents know how to take exams privately for GCSE. The question is "how to take it through state system by enrolling as close to exam time as possible".

You misunderstand ‘privately’. Not through a private school but private entry directly to exam boards via exam centres. Your initial request was how to obtain GCSEs rather than iGCSEs I believe?

SuratNuJaman · 16/09/2025 06:27

HarrietBond · 16/09/2025 06:25

So whatever very important thing this is has no human input whatsoever into selection? 🤔

Yes, unforuntate and sad and this we suspect is to make the whole system "fair", and the computer nerds have taken over. But this is why parents can have an advantage because of knowledge they possess.

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