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GCSE in year admission in Harrow

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 03:06

For a kid starting their GCSE year, can he/she travel from Europe and join an English Government run school a month before GCSE exams. Does the Government/Council have a "duty of care" which requires them to place the kid in a school and get them to take thir GCSE exams?

Is there any cut off deadline that the kid must be in a school by say December, for them to take their GCSE exams?

Happy to read legislation myself. If someone here has Administrative experience in a Council with admissions, would love to hear from them. The council for the kid will be Harrow.

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Geneticsbunny · 15/09/2025 08:24

As others have said I don't think the school could necessarily be relied on to register the student for gcses as they have no legal obligation to do this. The only way to guarantee that would be to transfer in at the beginning of Y10.

LIZS · 15/09/2025 08:25

Registration for public exams is more than a month ahead. So arriving at Easter is probably too late. Some exams need assessments so those may not be in place and moderated in time. When does child turn 16?

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 08:27

LIZS · 15/09/2025 08:25

Registration for public exams is more than a month ahead. So arriving at Easter is probably too late. Some exams need assessments so those may not be in place and moderated in time. When does child turn 16?

Kid turns 16 in Feb 2026.

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 08:31

TeenToTwenties · 15/09/2025 08:24

If they wanted this they should have moved the child at the start of y10.

Is it an absolute entry requirement to whatever to have sat GCSEs in a state school?

The parents seem to want the advantages of a private school education, but then the leg up of additional help for those from state.

Note that med school entry doesn't require work experience in a hospital if you are thinking of some recent news. It can easily be for example a care home.

Is it an absolute entry requirement to whatever to have sat GCSEs in a state school?
Yes

The parents seem to want the advantages of a private school education, but then the leg up of additional help for those from state.
Yes

A debate on the morals of the method here warrants a separate thread. A bit like house prices being higher in U.K. near good state schools, thus removing poorer students who may be brilliant.

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prh47bridge · 15/09/2025 08:31

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 05:22

Thank you. The parents are Council Tax payers in Harrow, thus not an issue. Kid can take an exam now and would be fine.

It is a mere technical point I am wanting to clarify, does the council have a "duty of care" (or what the term may be legally) to get the kid to sit GCSE exams.

The council has to find a school place for the child if the parents apply for one and the child is of compulsory school age, but there is no legal requirement to get them to sit GCSE exams. If the child only moves into the area one month before the exams, it will be too late for them to sit the exams that summer. They may be able to sit exams in the autumn, but only if the school is willing to enter them. The school cannot be forced to enter a child for any exams,

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 08:32

My question is answered, that the schools have no "legal" obligation to enroll the kid for exams.

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pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 08:34

Just let them stay in their current school and sit them as you've planned up until now. They're not going to be so disadvantaged by 'wokeiness' that they won't do very well off the back of the education they've had and well-off supportive parents. You don't need to micromanage on this level to get all the advantages of private plus the rubber stamp of state. Stick with your convictions and let them do their exams without upheaval and they will be fine whatever they want to do. As PP says, the NHS wx doesn't rule out that career route at all, there are plenty of other options to pursue. If it's something else, there'll be loopholes and on balance your DC will get plenty of benefits from the path you've chosen. It's way too late to rethink now and to be getting all legal and "I pay my council tax" when clearly the best thing for your DC now and long-term is to stay put.

PlumCakeProdder · 15/09/2025 08:36

Some measures to prevent the over-privileged cheating the exam system is woke?

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 15/09/2025 09:00

I'm just incredibly curious about the career/course that requires state schools GCSEs. The only thing I can think of are a few widening participation summer schools - which, OP, will not really assist with an actual Oxbridge place.

LIZS · 15/09/2025 09:01

And bear in mind by moving so late the child will not have met the three year UK residency requirements for SFE, and that may also affect whether they are accepted onto the courses as RUK. When did parents move?

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:17

LIZS · 15/09/2025 09:01

And bear in mind by moving so late the child will not have met the three year UK residency requirements for SFE, and that may also affect whether they are accepted onto the courses as RUK. When did parents move?

Parents maintained a tax base in U.K. thus the Residency requirement is met.

Unless there is a separate residency requirement for the Council.

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:21

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 15/09/2025 09:00

I'm just incredibly curious about the career/course that requires state schools GCSEs. The only thing I can think of are a few widening participation summer schools - which, OP, will not really assist with an actual Oxbridge place.

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Parents have information on the inner workings of the system in a particular sector of the U.K. and in one European country.

Once kid gets entry in, and if I can remember, I will attempt to post back here the area you have asked about.

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Eccle80 · 15/09/2025 09:22

I also really want to know what career will only accept GCSEs not iGCSEs sat at a state school. It’s also a lot to put a 16 year old through to have a last minute school move just as they sit their GCSEs, and then have to deal potentially with different exam boards and topics to those they have been taught. Plus if they have been studying for iGCSEs up to then, they will have done coursework that gives them no credit to their exams. They surely aren’t going to do as well as they would have done.

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:25

PlumCakeProdder · 15/09/2025 08:36

Some measures to prevent the over-privileged cheating the exam system is woke?

I don't know as I am not familiar with the undercurrents caused. Such measures tend to skew other things/factors. Ms./Mrs./Her/They Rayner is case in point.

As Tony Blair declared "We are now all middle-class", while he forgot to add "As long as you are in the right catchment area, have the right tax advice, and have access to services which are not available through the Government".

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pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 09:37

You seem very bitter for someone who is doing well and who's DC is doing well. Whatever this "information on the inner workings of the system in a particular sector" is that you have, I doubt it's really some insurmountable conspiracy that will keep your DC from achieving their goals. Tony Blair, whatever his declarations, didn't have the power to transform the UK into some m/c utopia, and nor is your current pronoun-riddled target for ire going to succeed in limiting horizons for wealthy, bright, determined families to get where they want to go. Blame as many woke folk as you like, but the reality is your DC will be just fine and the only potential blight is mad ideas like switching their school last min before exams.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/09/2025 09:39

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 08:15

You have answered the question of so many posters here.

"Sit GCSEs in a state school so their previous private education isn't flagged for university applications? Obviously Oxford or Cambridge won't spot this at all!"

Knowing the ins and outs of where the kid wants to go in future (it is not Oxbridge), it is precisely this reason that the parents are trying to exploit.

The money to pay for private exams, circa £3000 the parents have. It is the future intake into something very specific requires a "State" sat GCSE, not a private sat GCSE, not iGCSE.

There is a crude way of replying. The wokiness of woke has necessitated this silly situation.

The parents pay council tax, so it is not some money saving scheme for those who have asked.

Trying to scam for a contextual offer or evade overseas student fees isn't a consequence of 'wokeness', it's a consequence of overwhelming entitlement for parents and students who already have many multiples of thousands of advantages over and above the students the schemes are intended to support.

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 15/09/2025 09:42

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:21

Parents have information on the inner workings of the system in a particular sector of the U.K. and in one European country.

Once kid gets entry in, and if I can remember, I will attempt to post back here the area you have asked about.

I am sure if the parents are aware of some secret "inner working of the system", they will be able to find an alternative route.

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:45

pinkdelight · 15/09/2025 09:37

You seem very bitter for someone who is doing well and who's DC is doing well. Whatever this "information on the inner workings of the system in a particular sector" is that you have, I doubt it's really some insurmountable conspiracy that will keep your DC from achieving their goals. Tony Blair, whatever his declarations, didn't have the power to transform the UK into some m/c utopia, and nor is your current pronoun-riddled target for ire going to succeed in limiting horizons for wealthy, bright, determined families to get where they want to go. Blame as many woke folk as you like, but the reality is your DC will be just fine and the only potential blight is mad ideas like switching their school last min before exams.

Thank you.

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:45

Matildatoldsuchdreadfullies · 15/09/2025 09:42

I am sure if the parents are aware of some secret "inner working of the system", they will be able to find an alternative route.

None yet has been found, these changes which has caused this silly situation came about post Brexit.

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LIZS · 15/09/2025 09:47

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:17

Parents maintained a tax base in U.K. thus the Residency requirement is met.

Unless there is a separate residency requirement for the Council.

Paying tax in UK while living elsewhere is not proof of residency. RUK is a funding status for UK unis, some are more strict than others. If this course specifically requires RUK status this potential student may not meet it in time for entry in 2028.

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:48

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/09/2025 09:39

Trying to scam for a contextual offer or evade overseas student fees isn't a consequence of 'wokeness', it's a consequence of overwhelming entitlement for parents and students who already have many multiples of thousands of advantages over and above the students the schemes are intended to support.

The wokeness being referred to here is not with the schooling system. It's with the post school program the kid wants to get into, it's the particular program which favours kids from state schools. (We could go in circles about this)

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SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:49

LIZS · 15/09/2025 09:47

Paying tax in UK while living elsewhere is not proof of residency. RUK is a funding status for UK unis, some are more strict than others. If this course specifically requires RUK status this potential student may not meet it in time for entry in 2028.

This is worth knowing, I will pass it on. Thank you LIZS.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/09/2025 09:51

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:48

The wokeness being referred to here is not with the schooling system. It's with the post school program the kid wants to get into, it's the particular program which favours kids from state schools. (We could go in circles about this)

It makes exactly zero difference which sector the parents are attempting to insert their child into, they are not the historically disadvantaged group that the scheme is in place to assist.

RampantIvy · 15/09/2025 09:52

If the "kid" has been studying in Europe won't he/she have been following iGCSE syllabi?

State schools don't generally do iGCSE exams and the pupils will have followed a different curriculum and studied different topics within each one.

This is a non starter.

I'm also curious to know which courses and which higher education institutions will only consider state educated students. Medicine?

SuratNuJaman · 15/09/2025 09:53

LIZS · 15/09/2025 09:47

Paying tax in UK while living elsewhere is not proof of residency. RUK is a funding status for UK unis, some are more strict than others. If this course specifically requires RUK status this potential student may not meet it in time for entry in 2028.

I looked up RUK, and this is similar to the situation the kid will be in. Though the matter does not relate to fees as the entry is into a (obscure) profession. I will get the residency requirements checked out regarding "ordinarily resident" with the intended profession,

Thank you once again for this information.

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