Do teachers get paid for running revision sessions in the school holiday?

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As the subject says.....just wondering.
Obviously I hope they do, but you hear so much about teachers working so much during school holidays that I wonder where the line is.

While I'm here, thanks to the teachers who are running them; DS2 really benefits.

Never been paid for revision classes- just an expectation that you will do them.

My school pays. But it's a private school. And it charges pupils for attending the sessions.

I think that the different is that they can be directed to work during the school breaks.

Ive never known anyone be paid for easter school revision classes. I normally refuse. This year i went in for half a day. Ive a strong suspicion the maths dept have been paid for it due to which staff are on the instagram.

I wont be doing it again next year

Is it optional or compulsory for the pupils?

No, teachers are not paid extra for any clubs, revision or residentials they do.

At my school, staff are paid for Easter revision sessions. At my previous school, we could choose to be paid or to have a day off in lieu in the summer term.

Wow, you can't pay some staff and not the others. How divisive!

It’s awful isn’t it, expecting teaching staff to work in their unpaid holiday time for free.
Just like other professions, teachers have some holiday pay, approx 5 weeks, which is added to the 39 weeks of school. The rest is unpaid. It’s just adjusted over 12 months. In what other profession is it an expectation that you do this??? What about their own family, their own commitments, their own holiday time? Something is incredibly wrong with the system.

My school never offered anything like this and it was private. I’ve taught in various state primary schools (as an ESL instructor/tutor/TA )and not aware any of them offered these classes but this was all pre-2017.

I think it’s outrageous if teachers are being forced into doing them especially if unpaid.

In my sixth form college we do get paid for revision sessions. I would not put the sessions on unless I got paid. I will be spending all of today marking coursework, which I will not be paid for. This is unfair as most other departments don’t have coursework requirements but unfortunately it has to be done. It can take two-three hours per piece and I have over 40 students, so you can see how much extra work I have to do without pay that many colleagues don’t.

Your school sounds dreadful. Not only are you being treated appallingly, but what on earth are they thinking doing extra lessons for SATs? I pity the teachers and year 6 kids.

Son is doing GCSEs and a new teacher set up afterschool revision sessions. After the first couple of weeks, they were cancelled, as the teacher hadn't been told he wasn't being paid for them.

My son is currently attending revision sessions at school, I asked a friend who’s brother is a teacher at the school and she said teachers don’t get paid but if they offer to run a session then they will be off toil after exams/during exam periods

Which is exactly how every other person who has a term time only job! However unlike teachers, the pay ends up being pro rata! When I worked in school health I was full time term time but only got paid for 32.5 hours as the holidays are more than the 30 days I was entitled to!

We are allowed an afternoon of TOIL in summer for something we've already done. Which sounds great until you realise we have to plan cover work.

One of my DC was at one of the Easter revision classes yesterday for one of his subjects. The teachers there had sweets for the young people who showed up (secondary aged pupils).

Thanks to all teaching staff who do this. It really is appreciated and keeps the children encouraged during their Easter break and study leave.

Optional (for both teachers and pupils). Teachers state what sessions they are willing to offer and on what days. Not all teachers do this. Then Pupils sign up if they want and parents pay the fee for the session. The school generally breaks even overall (fees from pupils and pay for staff running rhe sessions) as some sessions run at a gain and some at a loss depending on how many kids sign up. It works well. Wouldn't work in a less affluent school though as would be unfair if some couldn't afford the sessions. Some of these parents are paying hundreds to put their child into lots or sessions.

That is interesting, it sounds good. Perhaps they offer them free or at a reduced rate to their bursary students, and it’s quite possible that only those students and their parents know that that is a possibility.

I see that some independent schools and tutorial colleges run courses in the Easter holidays which are open to anyone. They charge quite a bit for them: I imagine schools do this because they are a source of income, rather than improving their own students’ understanding.

I know this because I often see advertisements for teachers to work on them, for a reasonable but not tempting rate of pay.

Yes, you could well be right about the bursary students. I wouldn't know as I just get a list of who to expect. I don't even know who the bursary students are actually.

I've seen those roles advertised too but it's much less hassle and more pleasant to do it at my own school with kids I know (and I think the money's better at my school too - £65ph). And yes I think you're right that the ones that are open to the public are probably run as a source of income - quite a good idea really.

Hang on, 1265 hours over 195 days is 6.5 hours a day which is pretty much accounted for by the school day.

So anything you do outside of the school day, you're all doing for free? Not just extra revision days but the general marking, planning, etc?

I had assumed that the hours teachers were paid made up a 40 hour week over 40 weeks of the year, to account for the extra work outside of school hours, but clearly that's not the case

Why are you all doing this?? Where is your union?? Just why would you all do any of this if you're not being paid?? I know 'it's the children who suffer' and all that crap, but you have so much power as a collective and you're putting up with this?? What's wrong with you all, are you really that downtrodden that you won't stand up for yourselves?

I can't imagine my boss handing me 2+ extra hours of work a day and just doing it. Literally no one in my department would do this!

Not in my school, and it's expected. I'm refusing next year.

Is there anything in your contract about non-directed time and how much of this you should be doing?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact you all seem to be doing all your marking etc for free

My partner is a teacher, I've just asked him, he has no idea about any of this. Is that how you've all ended up in this situation? You all just assumed you were being paid for 8 hours a day over 46 weeks, but some of it was just working from home?

This is total madness!!

Teachers who are working in the summer holidays in school, I have some advice ... join a union and stand your ground - unless its in your contract. If it is - look for another teaching job. You are not paid enough to work in the holidays without additional remuneration.

There's a clause which basically says "and anything else you need to get the job done".