Do teachers get paid for running revision sessions in the school holiday?

[rosemarble]

As the subject says.....just wondering.
Obviously I hope they do, but you hear so much about teachers working so much during school holidays that I wonder where the line is.

While I'm here, thanks to the teachers who are running them; DS2 really benefits.

No. Not usually. I did it because I wanted to. When I didn't want to I said no thank you.

However the school cannot force teacher to do it either if not paying. Unless they factor it into directed time but then everyone in the school would need to attend and that's never going to work.

Those who are saying you are 'forced'. No you are not. You can refuse. Involve your union.

I think expenses should be paid, and TAs should be paid, but I don't see why someone on an annual salary would be paid any more in terms of salary. You're getting paid to do the work, not per hour/day. (I will caveat that by saying I do believe teachers should have an equivalent of a legal secretary/PA to do admin and help with marking etc).

It can't be directed time as schools can only direct you in the 195 days.

And yes schools do force teachers into doing these extras.
They are not supposed to but they do.

It depends on the school.

I've worked in schools where the HT leaned on staff to work for free; have also worked in schools where the HT did offer payment but also leaned on the staff to provide sessions.

But I am paid by the day, because my contract says 195 days.

This is nuts!

Thank you to all who have given up their free time to do this especially unpaid and even more so when at great financial cost/hassle.

And the poor y6 children who had to revise for SATS in their spare time. This makes me just as mad.

Thank you. It doesn't affect me now - I'm retired - but so many people fail to understand this.

When I was a HoD in a Scottish secondary, we had one particularly delightful senior pupil who went off on a skiing holiday for a fortnight during term time.

Said pupil then demanded that we provide her with Easter school to allow her to catch up. I told her that we were not running an Easter school. There was a demand for an explanation as to why this was the case.

I wrote to the parent: "Quite simply, all members of the department will be on holiday."

Good for you!

I guess it depends if you are paid 'term time only' or 'all year round'? I work in a school and am paid term time only whereas many TA's and I assume all teachers are paid 52 weeks of the year.

No we don't hence why I don't do the.

Surely it's only teachers running revision classes?

That is absolutely disgusting. I am so sorry.

No, teachers are paid for 195 directed days and 5.2 weeks holiday (27ish days which must be taken within the specified holiday period).
The rest of the 13 week holiday period is unpaid.
The annual total (salary) is then divided into 12 equal amounts regardless of how many 'working' days fall in that period.
You cannot be DIRECTED to work additional days for no extra pay but you can most certainly be coerced/ emotionally blackmailed into it.
Teachers tend to put the needs of the children first and this is often exploited.

@rosemarble it should be covered by their contract. In England and Wales, teachers are contractually required to work a maximum of 1,265 hours over 195 days, which is known as "directed time". If they are directed to work in the holidays, they should work fewer directed days during term time. If they volunteer to work in the holidays then it doesn't count as part of their directed time.

Our school (an academy) usually finishes slightly earlier at the end of one or more terms so that directed time can be used in the holidays for things like revision days and results day.

If any school tries to direct more than 195 days they will have the union rep to contend with.

I agree. Sadly the Trust does not 🤷‍♀️

I’ve bit taught secondary for many years but it was never paid.
I always said no - childcare reasons and also we tended to go away over that breaks
fortunately there was no consequences of saying no, even if the headteacher wasn’t overly happy.

I was told that as I’m the only ‘single and unencumbered’ staff member, it ‘makes sense’ for me to go, with the Head also going.

Wow! Share as little personal information as possible as it will be used against you. 👀

Nope - and we have been doing a revision session every week after school as well...

No. We used to. Not any more. Technically you can say no but it's really hard to as you want the students to have the chance to go.

I have done them previously and been paid £20 an hour overtime. I'm not doing one this year as I didn't get back from a school trip till the early hours of Monday morning and that is enough goodwill. Plus, our kids tend to think they have done their revision if they have come to a session in school and don't need to do any more.

I would like to point out though, I’ve spent all today and yesterday marking coursework. So even though I’m saying I won’t go in because I’m not paid, I am still working. If I went in for revision it would take my entire week of holidays, all unpaid.

When my son was doing his GCSEs some teachers did revision sessions on a weekend morning that parents paid for.
Any over time should be paid for, otherwise there’d be some teachers working for below minimum wage, this is something I’d raise if I was a teacher forced into working for free.

We used to be but the budget for it has disappeared this year, so now we’re not.

It’s optional, and we heavy been chased if we declined.

Yes where I work.